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Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

503 replies

Theendofmyrope · 26/08/2019 20:34

AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

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Butchyrestingface · 26/08/2019 22:04

The clue is actually in 'rape crisis'. They support rape victims

Who are women and girls. They don’t support male rape victims.

GCAcademic · 26/08/2019 22:04

The clue is actually in 'rape crisis'. They support rape victims.

Does that include men, then?

TheInebriati · 26/08/2019 22:04

Rape Crisis was set up by women to support women.
The clue is in the fact that rape crisis support for men is a separate service (that has been assisted and supported by Rape Crisis.)

Support for men and boys
Information on support for men and boys who've experienced sexual violence.

Our work focuses on the needs and rights of women and girls, and providing specialist services in women-only safe spaces. At the same time, we recognise boys and men also experience sexual violence, and the impacts on their lives can be just as wide-ranging and long-term.
rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/looking-for-information/support-for-men-and-boys/

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:05

There seems to be an assumption on this thread that transwomen who volunteer will be there specifically to help transwomen who use the service. But has this actually been confirmed?
To the contrary, the assumption is that women will be forced to take counselling from trans volunteers!

Butchyrestingface · 26/08/2019 22:05

What are you talking about? This organisation explicitly offers that support, and are being massively criticised for it!

I was responding to a question from another poster, Cheeserton. Perhaps you should reread.

BlueMoonRising · 26/08/2019 22:06

The rape crisis centre I volunteer at supports victims of rape and sexual violence, regardless of gender.

I am aware that some only support women and girls, but they are becoming fewer.

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:07

Does that include men, then?
In the case of THIS ORGANISATION it's per THEIR QUOTE I posted earlier. Women, trans, gay and bi.

HugsAreMyDrugs · 26/08/2019 22:07

Also Jessica Yaniv is not trans. They are clearly nothing more than a pervert who has jumped on this bandwagon because they know fine well that by saying the magical words "I am transgender' then nobody can criticise them.

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:08

The rape crisis centre I volunteer at supports victims of rape and sexual violence, regardless of gender.

And please tell us, are women forced to be counselled by trans volunteers? I know the answer is no, but hey...

HugsAreMyDrugs · 26/08/2019 22:08

To the contrary, the assumption is that women will be forced to take counselling from trans volunteers!

So you don't actually know if transwomen volunteers will be supporting transwomen specifically. Thanks for confirming that.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 26/08/2019 22:09

If specific rape counselling services for trans people don’t exist, they should campaign for them (just as other minority populations have had to). What they shouldn’t get to do is be subsumed into services aimed at biological females

Have you actually got any idea what Trans Rights Activists have done for services aimed at trans people?

They are fighting as much of a losing battle as the rest of us in terms of having specialised support for transgender people.

Meantime, shit still happens, organisations still need to deal with things in the best way they can, and having transgender volunteers to help with transgender service users seems like a good step forward, still not good enough though it seems.

They are supposed to go away and campaign for years, unsupported, to get their own places, then when they apply for funding for these places there will be a kick off because they will be applying for the same funding women's services apply for and there won't be enough money to go around Hmm there is no winning.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 26/08/2019 22:09

It will be interesting to see their clarification then cheeserton. Want to take bets?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 26/08/2019 22:11

What do you mean by forced cheeserton? Will women know in advance whether they are to expect a woman or a transwoman? Are they expected to object if they are assigned a transwoman and want a woman?

GCAcademic · 26/08/2019 22:11

Also Jessica Yaniv is not trans. They are clearly nothing more than a pervert who has jumped on this bandwagon because they know fine well that by saying the magical words "I am transgender' then nobody can criticise them.

Yaniv is trans, because Yaniv says they are trans. There is no way of proving one way or the other that someone is trans. We have to take their word for it.

Captnip500 · 26/08/2019 22:11

@HugsAreMyDrugs

**Also Jessica Yaniv is not trans. They are clearly nothing more than a pervert who has jumped on this bandwagon because they know fine well that by saying the magical words "I am transgender' then nobody can criticise them.

I think trans women get
PLENTY of criticism from what I have seen.

TheInebriati · 26/08/2019 22:12

The very well funded trans lobby has more than enough to fund all the services they need.

HugsAreMyDrugs · 26/08/2019 22:13

GCAcademic I was using the old school definition of trans there but you're right. That's the problem with self ID. We can't bloody question it and if we do we are transphobic!

Trebla · 26/08/2019 22:13

To support other self Iding woman who've been raped? If some woman only feel safe talking to other woman, then perhaps self I'd woman who've been raped want to talk to other self id woman?

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:14

So you don't actually know if transwomen volunteers will be supporting transwomen specifically. Thanks for confirming that
I didn't. Working in a related field I'm damn certain that won't happen. I just said the assumption here was to the contrary, and you evidently have basic comprehension issues.

It will be interesting to see their clarification then cheeserton. Want to take bets?

Whose? Please make sense. No bets required to know that this thread is just overloaded with nasty prejudice and assumption much in stark ignorance of the organisation's aims and statements. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

BlueMoonRising · 26/08/2019 22:14

And please tell us, are women forced to be counselled by trans volunteers? I know the answer is no, but hey

Ha, of course not. Most of the client one on one work is done by employees, not volunteers. The volunteers do much and varied tasks, but most is around legislative stuff (trustees), fundraising and staffing public events.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 26/08/2019 22:17

The centre's cheeserton, and whether women can expect to be counsellor by transwomen or not.

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:18

Well knock me down with a feather. Someone else who knows what bullshit these assumptions are.

TheInebriati · 26/08/2019 22:19

You exclude whole groups of already marginalised women with these policies.

Cheeserton · 26/08/2019 22:19

The centre's cheeserton, and whether women can expect to be counsellor by transwomen or not.
What does this mean?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 26/08/2019 22:20

The description linked to from Twitter specifically mentions telephone/email support and potentially face to face support.