Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

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AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

But where is there any suggestion that a vulnerably women would be forced to accept counselling from a trans women?

Relizeliz If transwomen are women name me one (just one) characteristic that they share in common with women that are not shared with any man. I can think of numerous characteristics women share that are not shared with men so in the interests of clarity and language having a meaning please answer the question. I'll wait. (For any lurkers there won't be an answer).

And no woman should be forced to take councilling from someone with a penis especially if they have been raped with one
Right, and NOBODY has suggested they would be. That's your ridiculous assumption.

I think rape seems to be their priority here, not sex or gender politic.

Oh, so they provide rape counselling services to male victims as well?

Except, they don’t. Rape is their priority, but the service appears to be exclusively for women and girls.

A woman is a person who identifies as female as previously stated.

Don't quite understand the reason for being pedantic over this.

It's not about being pedantic, it's about understanding that words have meaning. What you are saying is that a woman is a subjective feeling or an identity rather than a material reality. Many people would disagree with that, myself included. I also note that you didn't answer my question about the woman on Twitter whose rapist now identifies as a woman. You're happy for this rapist to be categorised as a woman, and treated accordingly by the state and by organisations such as rape crisis centres, presumably, since being a "woman" is a matter of identifying as one?

Can ANYONE present a shred of evidence that women rape victims won't have access to women counsellors from this service just because they cater to all rape victims?

The service seems to be asking for self identified women as volunteers. It doesn't state that they only want trans women to counsel other trans women. And who knows whether they would accept someone asking for counselling from someone who isn't trans? The problem is that for many traumatised women they wouldn't even ask for someone else they would just go away.

And actually in the uk only a penis can commit rape

Therefore women are legally unable to commit rape

And no woman should be forced to take councilling from someone with a penis especially if they have been raped with one

Where have they said this will happen?

But if we take the “trans women are women” to it’s logical conclusion, Cheeserton, women will not be allowed to refuse without being accused of transphobia and hate crime.
Just what you’d need when you’re seeking counselling for the trauma of being raped.

I was trying to establish whether such a view had actually been espoused on this thread. Which, I gather, it hasn’t.
The service explicitly says it caters to trans. Most people here are outraged at the suggestion that anyone not born a woman should dare have anything to do with it. Where's your confusion?

Don't quite understand the reason for being pedantic over this.

Do you find the legal definition of rape a bit “pedantic” too?

But if we take the “trans women are women” to it’s logical conclusion, Cheeserton,
I haven't said that. Not once. Nothing to do with it. They offer a service to trans victims!

Just because there are trans counsellors doesn’t mean women will be forced to speak to them if they’re uncomfortable with it.

Yes they would cheeserton

“I don’t want that councillor as I was raped by a man and I’m terrified of them”

“You are being transphobic! That is a woman!”

“Doesn’t change the fact they have a penis”

“It’s a female penis and therefore no danger”

It doesn't state that they only want trans women to counsel other trans women.
It doesn't state otherwise!

The hyperbole on this thread is ridiculous.

The service explicitly says it caters to trans. Most people here are outraged at the suggestion that anyone not born a woman should dare have anything to do with it. Where's your confusion?

I’m not confused at all, I agree with them.

Yes they would cheeserton
They would what????

You're being absurd if you think a rape counselling service wouldn't let the victim speak to who they wanted within possibility, and you know nothing about such services evidently and your prejudice is massively showing.

*Just because there are trans counsellors doesn’t mean women will be forced to speak to them if they’re uncomfortable with it.

There have already been cases in the US and Canada of women being thrown out of refuges for being "transphobic" because they were too frightened to share a room with a person who was clearly male. So, no, they won't be "forced" to share a room or speak with a transwoman, but they won't be able to access the services either.

@mumsnet Can please we keep the anti-trans invective in the appropriate forum so that the rest of us can avoid it if we wish? It’s hard enough already without it spilling over into AIBU.

I agree with them
Apologies if I misunderstood you in this tidal wave of nasty prejudice.

Just because there are trans counsellors doesn’t mean women will be forced to speak to them if they’re uncomfortable with it.

It shouldn't be made harder for any woman wanting to receive appropriate support.

You're being absurd if you think a rape counselling service wouldn't let the victim speak to who they wanted within possibility

See my post above about women being expected to share rooms with male-bodied people. Why do you think the same wouldn't apply to a counselling service within a similar kind of organisation?

@mumsnet Can please we keep the anti-trans invective in the appropriate forum so that the rest of us can avoid it if we wish? It’s hard enough already without it spilling over into AIBU.

Have you just joined? AIBU has been chokka with trans debate for aeons.

We currently have a trans woman in Canada suing every single wax place they can go to for not “waxing their testicles” as they are a woman and therefore should be waxed like a woman.

The waxers do not wax male genitalia as it’s difficult to do and needs different training.

This person has thrown their toys out of their pram and has shut down many places.

You are kidding yourself if you believe it will never happen. There is always someone looking to exploit the current situation for their own gain. This is one place where they could have a nice and easy picking.

It’s different if it was a man. The woman could say “actually I feel uncomfortable being around him” and she would be listened to.

But if she says she’s uncomfortable around the trans woman, she is accused of being transphobic and likely to miss out.

There have been cases of women being kicked out of women’s shelters and hostels because they complained at having to share a room with a trans woman.