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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to holiday with DSS ever again?

154 replies

IfeelguiltyIdo · 25/08/2019 17:29

DSS is 19 and at university. DH and I have 2 children together, 10 and 8. Over the years I am the one who researches and mainly pays for holidays which have mainly consisted of caravan holidays in the UK or cottage holidays in Europe. DSS stopped joining the UK holidays a few years ago (he’d go and stay with his mum while we were away. Normally, he lived with us full time until he started university) but still joined the European holidays.

All he wanted to do during these holidays though is sleep and play games on his phone in his bedroom, ignoring his siblings and DH and I. We’d wait for him to get up so we can have a day out. If we were all sitting outside or playing games or setting up a barbecue we’d have to call him to join us. It made me wonder why he wanted to come if all he wanted to do is shut himself in his bedroom just like he does at home. When we went to the beach, for example he come in his trainers and refuse to join in. I found it weird for a 15/16 year old to behave like this.

I am from a country which is a big tourist destination. My sibling is getting married. DSS wants to come along. I don’t really know want him to come. We went last year for another family (my side of the family) event and he didn’t join us. When we are there we spend most of the time catching up with family and kids playing with their cousins. We fit in a few days at get beginning and end of our time there doing our own thing but most of the time we are at my dad’s house with all my siblings and their children (9 children between 11 and 2). I just know DSS would get bored very quickly and expect us to go and do touristy things most of the time. He sees this as holiday and I see it as catching up with family. Our relationship is not that great but it’s not bad either. AIBU, aren’t I in not wanting him to join us? DH feels guilty but also says he doesn’t think he’d enjoy himself. DSS has no relationship at all with my side of the family and has met them only twice.

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billy1966 · 25/08/2019 17:52

I would perhaps tell him he won't enjoy the holiday as it will be all about visiting your family and sitting around catching up.

You could suggest that you might do a mini break as well that includes him if he would like.

Could he bring a friend and do his own thing while with you.
The thing is that would give you extra responsibility and cost that you understandably may not want.

Rather than get into a big discussion about it, just explain that it will be about small children playing and people catching up.

I don't think you are unreasonable to want to enjoy your family wedding.

For what it's worth, teens do behave a bit like that on their holidays.

He may also want to be getting a summer job being the age he is.

Branleuse · 25/08/2019 17:53

Tell him not this time as there will be nothing for him to do and its not really a holiday as such, but if he wants to try another family holiday next year then you'll consider it as long as he makes effort to join in

Azeema · 25/08/2019 17:56

I do not see problem with combining tourist things with wedding. My brother marry this summer and we went to visit for week so we did lots tourist things as well as wedding. Whole family would call for vans and we’d go all twenty, thirty of us to fun place for day. By time whole family there for wedding, everything planned anyway.

youarenotkiddingme · 25/08/2019 17:58

You are complaining he spent the whole time in his room when you went away.

But also that he'll want to do touristy stuff if he comes to wedding?

Why would he want different to his usual way of behaving?

I think you just lay down the expectations as you would your own children when they get to that age.
He then chooses if he wants to come or not.

But I wouldn't be actively excluding him from a wedding and family visit.

IfeelguiltyIdo · 25/08/2019 17:59

Fuckface, it is not my intention to be spiteful at all. I just want to attend my sibling’s wedding. I can’t leave my children as they are looking forward to spend time with their cousins and grandparents. I have suggested to DH that maybe he should plan a weekend away just the 2 of them and plan something that DSS would enjoy.

Like I said, I have always planned and paid for holidays. I met DSS when he was 5. He had never been on holiday before. His own mother has never taken him on holiday. Just to put some context. Sorry if this is a drip feed.

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IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 25/08/2019 18:01

If this was your 19 year old and not your DSS would you leave them out of the holiday? Of course you wouldn’t. Your DH should be sticking up for his son and not allowing him to be excluded.

Lastnightajdsavedmylife · 25/08/2019 18:02

Is he invited to the wedding?

Azeema · 25/08/2019 18:02

Rereading you sound like mean step mother.
A 15/16 yr old expected to play in swimming pool with 7 and 5yr old is being used as free babysitter. VU to expect it would be “fun” for him.

All this about “MY family” - it is his family too. You marry your DH, also take on his son as part of the family. To be saying, oh wedding is MY family, not DSS family is very mean and you must have been just waiting for him to go to uni so you could exclude him, cut him out of his fathers life. Horrible I think.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 25/08/2019 18:03

But it's not just a holiday. It's a wedding. OPs families wedding. Her DSS has met the couple twice(?) so is he even invited?

errorofjudgement · 25/08/2019 18:03

At 19 I wouldn’t expect him to want to play with his much younger cousins, I expect he would enjoy spending time with the adults. But probably not all day every day.
Perhaps your DH, his Dad, could take him off, just the 2 of them, for one of the days.
Plus there’s the day travelling, the day of the wedding itself, the inevitable post wedding lazy recovering day!
I would look at whether it was realistic for your DSS to come out for part of the time, and think about how you can include him for that shorter period.
Or could he bring a friend?

IfeelguiltyIdo · 25/08/2019 18:04

Youarenotkiddingme, that is based on our previous holiday there a few years ago. When I mentioned my sibling getting married, he excitedly mentioned all the things we could do. We won’t be able to fit any of those things this time. It’s not the type of place he could go off and do things by himself. He doesn’t speak the local language.

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SunsetYorks · 25/08/2019 18:06

He has been your DSS for 14 years, lives with you but only met your family twice? Did I pick that up wrong?

Cherrysoup · 25/08/2019 18:06

He’s not invited to the wedding, is he, so YANBU.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 25/08/2019 18:07

Azeema, yes that’s how it comes across . The fact that he has only met that side of the family twice in fourteen years also says a huge lot. He’s obviously not seen as part of the family.

Azeema · 25/08/2019 18:07

You know DSS since he 5?! Yet you think your parents not his grandparents, your neice/nephews not his cousins TOO?
I feel very sorry for DSS that you hold against him fact he not born of your body. Would you treat adopted child this way? Awful. So sad for DSS.

IfeelguiltyIdo · 25/08/2019 18:08

I think him joining part of the time would work actually, especially as we’d be able to do something more fun at the end. Will look into that.

There was no specific invitation for each specific family but yes I am assuming he is invited. No reason he wouldn’t be.

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Breathlessness · 25/08/2019 18:09

I think it’s reasonable to say that this is a family trip and you’ll be spending your time at family members homes not going out to anywhere more interesting than the supermarket.

I think you were very unfair to him 4 years or so ago. Judging a 15 year old boy for sleeping late and spending his time glued to his phone is judging him for being 15. Expecting him to be playing in the pool with a 4 year old and a 6 year old is totally unrealistic.

CookPassBabtridge · 25/08/2019 18:10

But it sounds like OPs family lives abroad so it makes sense he hasn't seen them much.

IfeelguiltyIdo · 25/08/2019 18:10

We don’t travel to my home country often as it is expensive. They do not visit us either for the same reason.

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BanginChoons · 25/08/2019 18:10

.Surely, even as a 15/16 year you’d still have fun being in the swimming pool with your siblings. Or are my expectations too high?

This is normal teenager behaviour. It's hard to meet the needs of kids of different ages. Why are you so hung up on your perception of his enjoyment? Did he say he didn't enjoy the previous holiday?
My 14 year old manages a couple of days in the pool with her much younger siblings, then entertains herself in the room and comes out for mealtimes.

Also, why is your stepson not invited to the wedding if your other children are?

Freddiefox · 25/08/2019 18:10

Is he invited to the wedding? I certainly my hope he is? There are plenty of step children who aren’t invited to their new partners family weddings and the answers usually include: you have a dh problem and all children are part of the family, you should ltb.

myidentitymycrisis · 25/08/2019 18:11

I think you are being harsh. he was a teenager while he was staying in his room and not joining in with your family barbecues/beach time, he may have been a moody, confused and immature teenager. He is only 19 yet and still learning.

I love my adult ds to bits and think he's lovely but at that age we did have some disagreements over holiday behaviour, they mostly do want to be doing their thing, and are figuring out how to fit in an adult world when they are not yet adults.

Perhaps when your own children are that age, you will have a different perspective on things.

Freddiefox · 25/08/2019 18:11

Sorry cross posts

Alsohuman · 25/08/2019 18:11

The worst holiday we ever had was when my stepdaughter was 15. Two weeks in Italy felt like two years. They’re hardwired to be a nightmare at that age. You could be pleasantly surprised at the difference four years makes. We were.