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To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 09:21

I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

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PostNotInHaste · 26/08/2019 10:27

What will those steps be and who will carry them out and how do we know if they actually will do them ?

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Bearbehind · 26/08/2019 10:42

What will those steps be and who will carry them out and how do we know if they actually will do them ?

Damage limitation carried out by everyone affected to the best of their ability because they actually would then know what we’re dealing with

I appreciate you don’t agree but I’ve yet to see any alternative that’s realistic.

Remainers insisting Revoke or a Norway deal or whatever is possible is no different to Leavers insisting the EU are going to concede at the last minute - it’s not what the facts and reality of the situation are indicating

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chomalungma · 26/08/2019 10:45

We are just a tiny, pathetic island off the coast of France

With a low productivity, massive inequality and a poor education system.

We think we are better than we really are. One of our biggest advantages is having English as our main language which must help in this world. But we are less and less influential.

HowardTJMoon · 26/08/2019 10:49

I think we'll end up with a lipstick-on-a-pig deal which will just be some minor adjustments to May's deal but with enough difference for Johnson to claim a victory.

Nicknacky · 26/08/2019 10:52

I haven’t read the whole thread yet but in the even of a no deal my husband’s business is fucked. He supplies to the food industry and 60-70% of his customers have been refused permits to export.

My husband will have to immediately lay off most of his workforce and god knows how long he can go on for after that.

They are all successful businesses that are being put out of business because of this nonsense. My h has had his company for over 25 years. It’s outrageous.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/08/2019 10:56

There will be some sort of deal done at the last minute

It doesn’t benefit anyone to have a no deal and a deal that can be worked on (for years)

Probably be May's deal with a few things added or taken away by BJ

Lots of male posturing going on at present Hmm

duffeldaisy · 26/08/2019 11:09

It worries me the number of comments I've heard of "well, let's just get it over with and have a "No Deal"".

No deal is exactly that. It doesn't mean things are over. That route is just the beginning to years, possibly decades of trying to rush through deals as prices go sky high because the current trade deals we have will no longer be there.

It's like saying we're definitely moving house. Then nobody can decide on a new house because all the options are smaller, don't have a garden etc. And half the people in the house are perfectly happy there anyway.

So the option is to take a smaller house, or to just move out with no house deal, and then the estate agents will rush to give us a great property.

No deal is the very worst possible option that can happen. It worries me sick because I also want all this over. The only way we get as good a deal as we have now is to revoke article 50, admit that Brexit in its current form wouldn't work, and give Brexiters a chance to put together an actual deal that would improve things, rather than destroy them.

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Bearbehind · 26/08/2019 11:16

The only way we get as good a deal as we have now is to revoke article 50, admit that Brexit in its current form wouldn't work, and give Brexiters a chance to put together an actual deal that would improve things, rather than destroy them.

I agree but that is never going to happen

It’s pointless talking about what you’d like to happen, we need to accept what is likely to happen and get on with it

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duffeldaisy · 26/08/2019 11:19

It's not impossible. If a vote of no confidence is raised and there's an election, Labour are offering another referendum.

Article 50 could still be revoked, and I'm still going to hang onto that hope.

Havanananana · 26/08/2019 11:21

It doesn’t benefit anyone to have a no deal

But it does. It is what the Atlantic Bridge supporters (Fox and others) have been angling for for many years. They want closer ties to the US and a market-driven economy where everything is available at a price. Add in the 'Britannia Unchained' cabal (Raab, Truss, Patel and Kwarteng) who are now all ministers - they also want to be 'unchained' from the European mindset of social responsibility and want to deregulate everything - jobs, healthcare, environment, consumer rights etc.

Plenty of people have a huge interest in seeing the UK leave the EU. Johnson's leadership campaign received huge financial backing from 'supporters' - and very soon they will want to see a return on their investment.

needmorespace · 26/08/2019 11:23

But even if we leave with a 'deal' it is still a disaster.
No deal is worse but I don't know why we are now prepared to settle for a shitty deal. We will still be worse off.

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Bearbehind · 26/08/2019 11:34

It's not impossible. If a vote of no confidence is raised and there's an election, Labour are offering another referendum.

There’s a awful lot of ifs in that - none of them terribly likely

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duffeldaisy · 26/08/2019 11:43

You say you're a staunch remainer Bearbehind, yet you seem very down on any alternatives to a No Deal Brexit.

Please don't lose hope? We are able to shape the world around us. Have you written to your local MP? I have, and found them very supportive. They said they'd had a lot of similar responses from people concerned about the impact of Brexit, and then when they did go into all the rounds of voting for various deals, I could see by the way they'd voted that they had listened to their constituents.

Writing to MPs really can have an impact, especially if you're in a marginal area. Another General Election is in the air, and if they get a few hundred letters from worried constituents about a No Deal Brexit then they are going to take notice.

A close family member just went through a round of redundancies because of funding cuts directly connected to Brexit. I have friends who are worried about availability of medication which they need to survive. We don't have to do this to ourselves as a country, and it's up to the MPs to represent their consituents' and the country's best interests. And it's up to us to remind them of that.

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Bearbehind · 26/08/2019 11:50

You say you're a staunch remainer Bearbehind, yet you seem very down on any alternatives to a No Deal Brexit.

I’m being realistic - which is sadly lacking on both sides right now

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GirlsBlouse17 · 26/08/2019 11:58

We are just a tiny, pathetic island off the coast of France

Alot has been achieved by this tiny pathetic island off the coast of France.

duffeldaisy · 26/08/2019 11:58

I don't think, being realistic, that they will allow a No Deal to happen. I know it won't stop the current government from leaving the country and making a tonne of money, but if they allow No Deal, the conservatives will be out of power for decades because of the impact of it.

Saying that, it all comes down to whether the government members actually care about their party, or whether they're in it to make a quick profit. And so in that case, No Deal could well go ahead.

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Bearbehind · 26/08/2019 12:02

I was firmly in the camp of ‘the grown ups won’t allow no deal’ but the grown ups aren’t in charge

Like you said, many who are in charge will do very well out of it too

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GirlsBlouse17 · 26/08/2019 12:30

Unfortunately the only leverage we seem to have in negotiating with the EU is to scare them with the threat of no deal. However this is a very risky strategy

Songsofexperience · 26/08/2019 12:40

I’m being realistic - which is sadly lacking on both sides right now

bear perhaps no deal is likely but it's not a realistic option- as in feasible. It's too destructive.
If brexit were a disease you are basically saying it's terminal and we should euthanize the country. I believe it's very serious but that we should keep fighting.

chomalungma · 26/08/2019 12:45

Alot has been achieved by this tiny pathetic island off the coast of France

In the past. When we had our Empire.

Times have changed. What makes us so special now?

BarbariansMum · 26/08/2019 13:06

I love the way you characterise the Empire as an "achievement ". Possibly it was, in the same way as WW1, the Atlantic slave trade and the Holocaust.

chomalungma · 26/08/2019 13:08

I love the way you characterise the Empire as an "achievement

You misunderstand, Having the Empire helped us achieve stuff. Rather handy when you steal other countries resources, enslave people and impose your draconian laws on them.

timshelthechoice · 26/08/2019 13:08

Spot on, Havana.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 26/08/2019 13:10

Unfortunately the only leverage we seem to have in negotiating with the EU is to scare them with the threat of no deal

Oh this is so funny. We're the ones to be scared of no deal. Not the EU. Fucks sake. Can't argue with stupid

familycourtq · 26/08/2019 13:20

but if they allow No Deal, the conservatives will be out of power for decades because of the impact of it.

I wish I had your faith in the electorate and our electoral system.

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