To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

Haven't read the thread, don't have time on my lunch break. But people saying "oh let's just leave with no deal and get it over with" are actually saying "I don't care about civil war returning to the UK, so long as it's not my part of the UK".

Alot has been achieved by this tiny pathetic island off the coast of France.

Yes in the past but those days are long gone.

It’s pointless talking about what you’d like to happen, we need to accept what is likely to happen and get on with it

It is possible to do both though.

I am using as much effort as I can afford, including contributing to threads like this, to lobby against a No Deal Brexit and against Brexit in its entirety. As long as there is a chance, however small, of Parliament stepping up to the mark and MPs doing their duty (i.e. acting at all times only in the best interests of the country as a whole) then I will continue to do so.

At the same time I have a Plan B. As the most likely scenario right now seems to be a No Deal Brexit, I am also spending time and effort preparing for this, however undesirable I personally find it.

@chomalungma - having English as the main language isn’t an advantage. The English are lazy about becoming proficient in the languages of their trading partners. Most of us from mainland Europe, are fluent in our language, English and at least one of our neighbours.

The Remainer trope of 'We are just a tiny, pathetic island off the coast of France' is as ridiculous as the Little Englander 'be an empire again' one.

The UK has economic significance and is dealing with other countries and blocks of economic significance. Whether this is a path we should or shouldn't have embarked upon, there are deals to be done and we and the EU will then move on. It won't be a disaster and it won't be a return to some imaginary golden age.

The UK has economic significance and is dealing with other countries and blocks of economic significance

We have low productivity levels, our education systems fail a lot of our pupils, massive inequalities...

It won't be a disaster and it won't be a return to some imaginary golden age

I agree with this - but we could do so much better if we stayed - or at least do some incredibly good trade deal with the EU.

Well if we get the GE in the near future, JC will be caretaker PM and keep us in The EU 😎😳😳

Problem solved 👍👍

The Remainer trope of 'We are just a tiny, pathetic island off the coast of France' is as ridiculous as the Little Englander 'be an empire again' one.

I agree, and I say this as a remainer

You don't get to choose whether Brexit happens, Johnson tells MPs

The right-wing coup nears its conclusion. It is becoming clearer that 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' were just slogans intended to con the voters into thinking that they were somehow going to be consulted in the future. In reality, Johnson seems intent on dictating to Parliament how they will vote, and if they show any signs of rebelling, he is threatening to cut them out of the process completely.

Either he has everything under control, or he is beginning to panic as his backers begin to demand the 'Brexit dividend' that they have invested so heavily in.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/26/boris-johnson-warning-mps-block-no-deal-brexit

Well if we get the GE in the near future, JC will be caretaker PM and keep us in The EU

That’s as deluded as the Brexit unicorns

A) Corbyn is unelectable

B) he’s a Leaver so it might not be no deal but it will certainly be leaving, which in turn has to be on worse terms than we have now

amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/26/eu-would-block-trade-deal-if-britain-reneged-on-brexit-bill

There is absolutely nothing positive about Brexit. I’ve yet to see any evidence.

As long as there is a chance, however small, of Parliament stepping up to the mark and MPs doing their duty (i.e. acting at all times only in the best interests of the country as a whole) then I will continue to do so.

But the country is divided roughly down the middle, and as seen above Johnson’s get out when it goes tits up is that he’s delivering the result of the referendum.

Parliament stopping no deal only delays the problem - it doesn’t make it go away

And, because the government aren’t being honest about the the consequences of Brexit, those who ‘believe’ are just doing to be more determined

I genuinely believe no deal is inevitable now but years more uncertainty before getting there will be worse than doing it now and beginning the repair process

Yawn. Brexit is so 2016!

I can see where you're coming from OP, and I don't want it either. Maybe it needs to get worse before it gets better.

Despite all the evidence of what a disaster it'l be, public opinion doesn't seem to have shifted that much, and if it doesn't go ahead now a lot of people will feel they've been conned out of this mythical marvellous thing they think they're getting.

I think the leavers who realise they've been conned will end up being more angry and causing more civil disruption than the remainers

Maybe it needs to get worse before it gets better.

How much worse can it get?

14m UK citizens live in relative poverty - that is more people than live in most of the EU countries. 4m children in poverty. Thousands living in shipping containers. In the 5th richest country in the world. What an utter disgrace.

Shortages of medicines already a reality. 100,000 vacancies in the overstretched NHS, before the UK begins making life difficult for EU workers, who make up about 10% of NHS staff. In some areas, if these people leave then entire wards and specialist treatment units will have to close. Ditto elderly care.

A genuine threat of violence returning to Northern Ireland, with knock-on effects in Scotland and the major English cities.

Politicians of all parties should hang their heads in shame for letting this happen - and the sensible ones should now be working flat out to prevent the right-wing cabinet of shits, charlatans and shysters from plunging the country into a crisis that will only benefit their paymasters.

We don't actually know how the country is divided any more, we have no meaningful measure as to what the figures are for No Deal versus Revoke.

I agree OP and from the same position. Let's just do it now, then the leavers can see the actual facts come true. Thankfully Merkel et al seem quite switched on to Bojo trying to pin the fault on them and won't have it

We don't actually know how the country is divided any more, we have no meaningful measure as to what the figures are for No Deal versus Revoke.

Of course it’s divided! We might not know the actual numbers but we certainly know there’s an awful lot of people supporting the Brexit party etc

This is not going away lightly

We don't actually know how the country is divided any more, we have no meaningful measure as to what the figures are for No Deal versus Revoke.

Depressingly, tories are doing quite a bit better in the most recent yougov poll, and I saw some stats that it would translate into more seats for them in parliament.

One of the things I think really needs to change is how the tabloids (and I include the Daily Mail in that) report on Brexit. Some people don't seem to be looking beyond the headlines, and many are pro Bojo/ pro Brexit

Unfortunately the only leverage we seem to have in negotiating with the EU is to scare them with the threat of no deal

Oh this is so funny. We're the ones to be scared of no deal. Not the EU. Fucks sake. Can't argue with stupid

Fuck off with your personal insults. I'm not advocating no deal. Yes, we should be scared of no deal and I think most of us are. The EU is worried too though because it will have an impact on countries in the EU, although the affect on the UK will be worse. But I think Boris is using no deal as a bargaining chip

Depressingly, tories are doing quite a bit better in the most recent yougov poll, and I saw some stats that it would translate into more seats for them in parliament

It's going to be an interesting election if alliances are formed.

Look at the last opinion polls in 2017. Conservatives on 44%, Labour on 36%..en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#2017

Now we have a resurgent Lib Dem party and the Brexit party. Makes things interesting.

Imagine how rightfully fucked off the EU will be when we
-crash out causing or contributing at least to a global recession
-withold money we owe them

And then we've still got to negotiate a trade deal with them
Who could blame them for wanting us to have a shit deal at that point. Absolutely shooting ourselves in the foot. But that's still what a lot of people still seem to want.

I think the Tories are or will be taking most the Brexit partie's votes chomalungma do you agree?

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I think the Tories are or will be taking most the Brexit partie's votes chomalungma do you agree

I think it's going to be a very interesting couple of months. Who knows what goes on in voter's minds?

I just hope that the youth vote gets out.