To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

Penny - Have you been drinking too much pop?

They don't need us Penny!
They've got each other! We're a little dot on the map to them.

Your not a dot on the map. You are the annoying happy dog that won't just fuck off. Loss my ass.
There's one of ye. 27 of us.
Do the math.

@MrsKittyFane1 lol that was a good link. “Boris Breakthrough Beautiful Boris Brexit Boris is BEST for BORIS BRITAIN” Is a pretty accurate representation of most news coverage. I am genuinely aghast that he isn’t being held to account. Can you imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had made the stupid comment about the rock and put his feet up on Macron’s coffee table? I mean I don’t feel JC would be doing a good job if this either but he’d certainly be getting raked over the coals for it.

Kplpandd

No deal Brexit is the best option. Leaving with a deal would be worse than remaining in my opinion

And what should people who rely on medication to stay alive do if a no deal Brexit causes supply issues? Do you care at all about those people?

Now Boris has put his foot down and is calling their bluff, I think the EU will change the deal and it'll be rushed through

No doubt Boris 'putting his foot down' must have the whole EU quaking in it collective boots.

We're a little dot, on our own, on the edge of Europe.

We are not the great and powerful nation that some leavers seem to think we are, or that we will be once we leave the EU.

They don't want us to leave without a deal. But make no mistake we need them more than they need us.

They don't need us Penny!
They've got each other [and 750 Agreements with the rest of the world]

I'll let a Conservative politician explain (and you can guess who said this):

“In a stand-off between Britain and the EU, 44 per cent of our exports is more important to us than eight per cent of the EU’s exports is to them. The economic arguments are clear. Being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. One of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.” ‘

“The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market. We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined. It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy.” ‘

At the end of the day, we’re a loss to them.

Haahaa! Newsflash: they don't need 'us'. At all. They are one of the most powerful trading blocks in the world. They have things people won't to buy. We don't (with the possible exception of Scotland with its oil, gas and abundant clean water).

sorry, want to buy.

That's how it works in global economies, you invest in your general population and society (no chance of that with Tories) and you get a population that has skills and/or makes widgets that people want to buy or use.

What's left after this train wreck will be for the highest bidder, and most of them will be foreign, to buy. Your Tory government has whored your island out for the profit of the few, namely themselves, with not only your consent but your approbation. You couldn't make it up! I laugh when Brits mock Americans for voting in Trump when they voted these twats in for the past 10 fucking years.

It's not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy

This is something that a lot of leavers seems not to understand.

If we leave without a deal, we're going to have to go back to Europe, cap in hand, to negotiate trade deals and then, maybe, leavers will understand how leaving has not worked in our favour.

We'll have to pay for trading with Europe but we'll have no say in what happens in the EU.

Alternatively, maybe Boris is thinking we're going align ourselves with Trump and the US.

Chlorinated chicken anyone?

banana:
Your not a dot on the map. You are the annoying happy dog that won't just fuck off.

and then

Loss my ass. There's one of ye. 27 of us. Do the math.

A 'little dot on the map' means that we are insignificant, no loss to the EU.
I don't understand your point!

It’s a peculiar form of British (OK English) exceptionalism. They really do believe that they’re superior and that everyone is aware of it too.

Alternatively, maybe Boris is thinking we're going align ourselves with Trump and the US.

I honestly think that is what will happen. We're out of the EU so will be absorbed in some weird way into US way of doing things.

God help us.

They really do believe that they’re superior and that everyone is aware of it too

When you travel to other European countries, you soon realise that's not true. Travel broadens the mind and all that.

@chomalungma of course, but the demographic we’re talking about perhaps don’t seem to travel so much.

Sadly all this thread is doing is confirming my fears; those who support Brexit simply won’t believe it might cause problems until they materialise - hence we need to no deal sooner rather than later so we can start to pick up the pieces

Alternatively, maybe Boris is thinking we're going align ourselves with Trump and the US

This has been the plan all along. Brexit is just the first step along the way. Raab, Truss, Patel and Kwarteng were put together back in 2012 and came up with 'Britannia Unchained' - a manifesto to move the UK away from the egalitarian, social democratic mindset of Europe towards the wild west, 'every man for himself' mindset of the USA.

Obviously a manifesto that promised to trash employee rights, abolish the minimum wage, remove all consumer and environmental protections and dismantle the welfare state was never going to be a vote winner, so they had to find another way of getting into government.

Brexit was never about the EU alone, but more about identifying a scapegoat (the EU), attacking the alternatives ('Marxist' Corbyn) and creating maximum dissatisfaction amongst about 30% of the voters in order to gain power. The biggest con is that they have convinced those who will be most adversely impacted by Brexit to vote for their own demise.

Johnson is just a figurehead PM - a dancing chimp in an ill-fitting suit, performing his 'Boris' stand-up act on the stage while Cummings grinds the organ and gives the spoils collected to the people backing the whole show.

He's sowing the seed...

He's had a bit of a chat with them over the last few days and is now pretending that 'our friends in the EU' are being a bit difficult about the whole thing. The blame is on them for not being 'good old sports.'

Look at his mannerisms and the way he answers. He knows that there is not a hope in hell of striking a different deal.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/49465298

Reading this thread Im foreseeing a hard border between EU Scotland and US England !

We're out of the EU so will be absorbed in some weird way into US way of doing things.

And we will not benefit from it. Any prosperity deriving from such a partnership will be to the benefit of the US, not us. I'm happy to be proved wrong (as with brexit itself).

He's sowing the seed...

He's never had the intention to seek a deal.

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Exactly. He is letting everyone know bit by bit that we can't get a better deal. He's known this all along.

The EU were never going to give the UK a good deal. Although the politicians selected to handle the deal were never up to the job. No deal was probably always going to be how it ended (in my opinion!).

Did Johnson's team vote for or against the deal on the table 'TM's deal (same deal on the table now).
I can't remember.

The EU were never going to give the UK a good deal

I bet we could have had a Customs Union type deal. Make life so much easier.

Of course, we wouldn't have a say about the regulations but we'd have frictionless trade.