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To be outraged and despairing at the emboldened racist idiocy around us these days?

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daffalicious · 24/08/2019 15:02

Today I ran to catch my bus which pulled off as I reached the stop.
Annoying but I was then first alone at the stop waiting for the next. By the time the bus arrived there were other people waiting too but I hadn't paid much attention to anyone as I was first in line near the bus stop post (no shelter).
As I stepped onto the bus a white woman grabbed the hood of my raincoat and yanked me backwards saying loudly 'we queue in this country you know'. I turned completely bewildered and did not see any look of sympathy in the faces of few people gathered.
I was so shocked and said 'what are you talking about I was here first. I missed the last bus' I clearly have an English accent. But all faces remained passive and everyone got on the bus. A young black kid at the back gestured for me to get on before him.
And so then I sat on the bus burning with hot tears and lump in my throat. Wondering what on earth has gone wrong with people in this country. Trying to make sense of it and feeling humiliated and disgusted.
The driver had seen but made no comment or gesture of sympathy.
I am a white English woman in 40s. With dark brown hair no tan at all but have absolutely no idea what nationality the woman assumed I was. I'm horrified at seeing first hand what happens in these situations. Once the woman had spoken to me like that it appeared the other people assumed there was just cause. I was being reprimanded for being a rude foreigner and no one had a problem with it.

I am really upset freaked out and disgusted. I keep thinking imagine if my kids had been with me. It was so humiliating. My heart is racing and I feel nauseous just writing all this.
I feel sick for everyone considered a foreigner. I'm angry that some people seem to have returned to attitudes of the 1970s.
I don't know what to do with all this.
What do mumsnet make of it?

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OhLeaveMeBe4GS · 24/08/2019 19:46

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CoolWivesClub2019 · 24/08/2019 19:49

The op is a pale skinned white woman.

Presuming she wasn’t draped in the Swedish flag or talking loudly in a German accent there’s NO reason to assume the crazy lady ‘perceived’ her to be anything other than a rude queue jumper.

The phrasing ‘in this Country’ is a turn of phrase for some people. In the same way I say to my dc ‘in this house we...’ without any implication that they’re actually from another house Hmm

I think the op has some issues and is being ridiculous and so is anyone else branding this a ‘racist’ attack.

PurpleHedges · 24/08/2019 19:52

CoolWivesClub2019

I've experienced it and your response insults me. Not OP.

MaxNormal · 24/08/2019 19:53

The phrasing ‘in this Country’ is a turn of phrase for some people. In the same way I say to my dc ‘in this house we...’ without any implication that they’re actually from another house hmm

Are you violently yanking them back by their hoodies when you say this? No?
Then not the same thing at all really, is it?

SuzieQ10 · 24/08/2019 19:54

I've seen a fair amount of racism, recently I've noticed it a lot more. And it's disgusting.

However, you don't know that she perceived you to be foreign / of another race. What she said is a turn of phrase (not a very nice one). She sounds like a crazy old bat.

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IAmALazyArse · 24/08/2019 19:56

I was called out on being Eastern European without having to say a word. Some of us just have strong typical facial features, I guess. Not saying this was actually xenophobic (not racist) incident, but some of us just have that xxxcountryxxx faces.

I would assume the woman was mentally ill and didn’t like the way you were queuing (and the in this country bit was sarcasm as opposed to a racist comment given that you are white).
There is a bigger probability she was just being bitchy rather than having MH issues, isn't it. Either way, having MH issues is in no way excuse to tough some stranger aggressively imho

Op, where are you that you need a raincoat? I am coming to cool down!😅

CoolWivesClub2019 · 24/08/2019 19:58

The phrasing ‘in this Country’ is a turn of phrase for some people. In the same way I say to my dc ‘in this house we...’ without any implication that they’re actually from another house

Are you violently yanking them back by their hoodies when you say this? No?Then not the same thing at all really, is it?

What has the yanking part specifically got to do with racism? I thought it was her words that made her ‘racist’? No? Hmm

PurpleHedges · 24/08/2019 20:01

FFS, faux naiveté from the random racists of Mumsnet again. Any of you arseholes going to start another golliwogs thread? I guess it's that time.

MaxNormal · 24/08/2019 20:03

What has the yanking part specifically got to do with racism? I thought it was her words that made her ‘racist’? No? hmm

That would be context. That thing you're determined to ignore for some reason.

1Morewineplease · 24/08/2019 20:06

She was being an idiot but I’m sad that no one spoke up for you. I’ve endured this type of racism myself ( am white British ... just happen to have a ‘foreign’ surname and my parents are Polish, but my ancestry isn’t evident.) I am horrified that you
had to endure this treatment in a country that supposedly believes that it is tolerant. Since Brexit I have felt increasingly uncomfortable ( why? I was born here, father fought for the RAF in WW2) and feel that intolerance is increasing. My favourite quip ( not ) when I challenge a stereotyped comment is “ oh but at least you look like us!!!” I despair.

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Rachelover40 · 24/08/2019 20:12

I'm so, so sorry and ashamed that you experienced that, daffalicious.

Monestasi · 24/08/2019 20:13

What an ugly place the UK has become.

TabbyMumz · 24/08/2019 20:15

"The phrasing ‘in this Country’ is a turn of phrase for some people. In the same way I say to my dc ‘in this house we...’ without any implication that they’re actually from another house hmm

Are you violently yanking them back by their hoodies when you say this? No?
Then not the same thing at all really, is it?"

@MaxNormal...this makes no sense. She might be yanking them by their hoodies, she might not. The additional yanking of the hoodie does not confirm the comment was racist. It's unrelated.

Oysterbabe · 24/08/2019 20:20

Whilst is was undoubtedly a horrible and distressing incident, I agree with this.

The phrasing ‘in this Country’ is a turn of phrase for some people. In the same way I say to my dc ‘in this house we...’ without any implication that they’re actually from another house

NotACleverName · 24/08/2019 20:22

FFS, faux naiveté from the random racists of Mumsnet again.

Are you really that surprised? I swear there's some MN users who think you can only be racist if you're shouting the n-word whilst wearing a white hood, burning crosses and lynching black people in the street. And even then it's a push.

MaxNormal · 24/08/2019 20:38

And even then it's a push.

Yes I mean the n-word is just a turn of phrase. Being shouted out entirely unrelated to the cross-burning taking place at the same time. It was probably just a mentally ill person anyway.

Marriedwithchildren5 · 24/08/2019 20:45

Honestly. It wasn't racist. I cant quite believe this thread. The lady might be racist but she wasn't being racist towards the op! The only one who comes out well in this is the young lad!

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PurpleHedges · 24/08/2019 21:10

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I don't like bait from racists. You can keep your bullshit to yourself.

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Jinglejanglefish · 24/08/2019 21:12

The attacker perceived her to be foreign

How on earth do you know what her attacker perceived?

BizzzzyBee · 24/08/2019 21:14

I don’t understand why she thought you weren’t queuing when you were standing at the bus stop before everyone else and were clearly first in line?

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