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How do you come to terms with being screwed out of £60,000?!!

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greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 20:06

I have posted about this before under a different user name - just in case anyone recognises the story - things have progressed further now though.

I am genuinely looking for any wise words that might help me see this whole situation in a more positive light or just help me navigate a way forward.

We had an extension built earlier this year - and I know that to own a house and be doing an extension already makes me someone who has been incredibly lucky in the general lottery of life.

We borrowed 50K from the bank which was the max we could (on top of our mortgage) according to our salaries so there is no possibility of borrowing more for a long time.

Throughout the build the relationship with the builder broke down completely as he got furious with us for ever questioning or complaining about anything. At the end of of the build he sent us a final invoice but we sent back a snagging list and also the requirement for the final building control inspection (having found out he had not organised any of the interval inspections with building control in spite of telling us he had both verbally and it was in his contract to do so).

He went mad at us and started making threats if we don't pay him all the money and has carried out some of these threats including contacting my place of work and telling them I am mentally unstable and have post natal depression and am aggressive and volatile (our second child was born prematurely during the build and we also have a just turned 2 year old), he contacted social services and told them the same, that we were a risk to our children and my husband is abusive. He contacted the GMC and told them I was not safe to see patients (I am a doctor). He has threatened to contact my husband employers with similar and also my Dad's. He has threatened to send bailiffs round. He has told us he wants us to lose everything including our home. Just for the record there is absolutely no basis to any of his assertions about our character.

It was hell. Eventually we got the police involved and the harassment side of things has now stopped. Nothing has come of any of his accusations as they are all baseless but it was a terrifying time - never knowing what his next move might be.

Now he has backed off but cut a long story short it turns out he did a terrible job of the build - to the extent that it will have to be knocked down and re-built. No part of it complies with building regs not least the foundations are not deep enough. He told us he was getting building control in but he wasn't. Quotes for the re-build are coming in at £60,000 plus but we won't be able to afford to this for a long time - this means we are tied to the house and the area until we can which was not our plan.

I know we will eventually cobble the money together through a few years of hard saving and contributions from family and we are incredibly lucky to be in the position to do that. But I can't get my head round all the other things we could have done with that money - not least for our children. I can't believe how hard he went after us - and me in particular - having recently given birth - and all along he had completely screwed the whole thing up. We will have to change the way we live for the next few years to save the money.

The reason I am posting today is because we finally found out for sure there is no point in pursuing him for the money - he is personally liable but doesn't seem to have any assets - so we would win in court but never actually get the money.

Can anyone help me frame this in a more positive light? I know I am so fortunate in SO many ways - I just need to get my head around this so I can move on. Anyone got any stories of having been though similar and come out the other side?

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OhTheRoses · 21/08/2019 21:23

Okay, I'm ready for a flaming here but I'm assuming this was an extension that involved foundations, RSJ's, building regs, etc. So where was your architect and who dealt with planning and building regs?

What he did was v v wrong but you circumvented the professionals to save a few bob I expect. May I ask please why two professional people didn't ensure this work was being overseen by professionals with professional reputations and indemnity insurance?

I am sorry you have lost your money but I also think you have been incredibly stupid. How many quotes did you get? How many conversations with planners and building regs?

Slander I suspect you have a case for.

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:23

@Badwifey

We reported him to the police for harassment and they contacted him and told him if he did it any more he could be arrested and that seemed to stop that side of things. So its all on record at least

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Mummyoflittledragon · 21/08/2019 21:23

It probably is only via court but it is worth a try recouping via the bank.

Watchingthyme · 21/08/2019 21:23

Definitely go for a small claims court judgement.

Definitely go to watchdog or similar.

That’s what I would do.

ICouldBeSomebodyYouKnow · 21/08/2019 21:24

Happened to my friend, on a much smaller scale, but it was still money she could ill afford to lose. She also found her builder had no assets etc. She is very bitter and it was a hard lesson for her to learn. She would also have liked to pursue him but was scared of repercussions - he knew where she lived after all, and that she lived alone.

Your anger is understandable, OP.

Watchingthyme · 21/08/2019 21:26

Oh and get CCTV immediately

Badwifey · 21/08/2019 21:26

I would ruin his "business" then.

Make up flyers with pictures of his shoddy work and post them everywhere. Local shops, internet, Facebook etc.

It'll be all truth so police won't be able to do anything about it

BogglesGoggles · 21/08/2019 21:28

You have six years to sue. Watch him, he might come into some money for some reason. If you think you have the potential to get something out of him then sue him then. I would also consider the media route from a petty revenge angle - if you name him publicly he’ll never be able to do this again (it’s a public service really), not to mention he will loose his livelihood (satisfying for you).

OhTheRoses · 21/08/2019 21:28

Can you tell us what the extension comprised? Sq ft, drainage, rsj, roofing, windows, wiring, etc. I have redeveloped three properties since 2013 and am pretty sure I cd assess if costs were reasonable.

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:29

@OhTheRoses

You are right - we saved money by not implying an architect - lots of people told us we didn't need one as the extension is literally a box on the back of the house, no walls knocking down etc. But yes v stupid and a mistake we will never make again.

Many discussion with planning but how could that have prevented this?

The builder said he was in touch with building control - it's written in his contract to do so and he told us he was doing it. I was doing a big professional exam (my last ever) during the first half of the build so v distracted - my daughter was then born prematurely the day after the exam when I thought I would have some time to recoup. So I wasn't really on top of my game. I should have enquired as to building control inspections but I just trusted he was doing what he said he was doing - in those early stages I had no reason to doubt him. I thought you couldn't move on with each new bit if the build til BC hadn't been.

But I totally agree that if I had been more on the ball - I may have been able to prevent this - and that's something I will have to live with (and belief me I think about a lot)

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greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:32

Sorry should have said I thought I would have time to regroup - no recoup!

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VBT2 · 21/08/2019 21:32

Agree with PP, pursue the CCJ out of principle, it’ll be worth the expense to you just to inconvenience him. If you can, name him personally, not the company, which he can just fold. At £60k, that will impact him for a long time.

Other than that, maybe consider changing solicitors? It probably isn’t worth suing him, but you should be able to call his bluff enough for him to offer you some sort of settlement. As you’d clearly win, it would cost him enough in legal fees to challenge you, assets or no, so you could at least expect some sort of compensation from him directly?

Again, on principle, trading standards. Just so he’s investigated (no doubt there is all manner of tax fraud in the works too) but so he can’t continue to rip people off.

Basically, write off your £60k as a bad investment, but make sure you stick it to him in return. It’ll make you feel slightly better.

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:33

Extension is a 6x5m flat roofed single story extension.

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Cheeserton · 21/08/2019 21:37

Yup. DO take him to court. Leave it to the enforcers to figure out if he has assets and at least make his life difficult and make it less likely he'll screw others over. It doesn't cost that much in the grand scheme of things for a case like this which is pretty clear cut.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/08/2019 21:37

If the main issue is the foundations, you can mini pile it. You need people, who specialise in it to do this. It is expensive - about the same price as repairing foundations but only takes a couple or few days depending on the size. If the structure above ground is relatively solid, this may be an option.

Interesting mix of advice from let it be to go for the jugular.

I don’t see that at all. You contact trading standards, contact your bank, Hmrc and anything else possible. At this point you know you’ve done everything you can to try to get this guy prosecuted and recoup your money. You may not get back a bean but you know the law will catch up with him in the end.

Going through the process in itself is healing because it’s learning rather than stewing on what you would do differently now. One of the most cathartic moments will be when the building work is satisfactorily completed of course.

BlackberryBeret · 21/08/2019 21:40

Sorry if this has been dealt with up stream but I haven't read the full thread - about suing him and his assets -

have you checked whether he has insurance? I would have thought any builder would have insurance?

are you sure he has nothing of his own? does he own his house for example?

I wouldn't rule out legal action until you've bottomed it out - besides which you'll have a potential defamation claim for the statements he made to your work and the GMC

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:40

@OhTheRoses

Even the planning officer told us we didn't need an architect. But looking back he was about 12 and probably didn't know what he was on about. Believe me I know we have made plenty of mistakes here.

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bevelino · 21/08/2019 21:42

OP, did your builder have liability insurance and if so did you see, or ask to see the policy?

MaderiaCycle · 21/08/2019 21:43

DIYSOS to rescue your botched job?!??!

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:44

@Mummyoflittledragon

It's not just the foundations - also the walls, ceiling and floor! I won't bore you with details...

Also - you are right - more people are saying go for the jugular! I am going to look into the other options you have mentioned. I will seriously consider going for the CCJ - I suppose in the back of mind I think - what if he petrol bombs our house?! Or something... we know he is totally bonkers - if anything happened to my children because i was 'making a point' - well it doesn't;t bear thinking about. Of course if I thought we would get the money - that's different (as it is a small risk) but just to stick it to him? I'm not sure...

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Watchingthyme · 21/08/2019 21:45

There are plenty of rules. If someone continually does this, they can be barred from having a LTD company.
So a small claims court is always worth going down.

You’ll never get your money back, so you want to at least bring it to the attention of companies house that this is what’s going on

OhTheRoses · 21/08/2019 21:46

So little more than a large conservatory? How many quotes did you get?

I had a retaining wall taken out to create a 35sq metre extn in 2014 in SW London for just under £100k which included drainage, plumbing and electrics but not finish or kitchen.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/08/2019 21:46

The planning officer was correct legally. But you need to have a decent builder, who knows a bit about structural engineering. You have a flat roof extension, which is more involved than a sloping / pitched roof. I assume that involves a lot of steels unless you’ve gone for a non conventional build. They all have to be calculated. Unfortunately an architect / structural engineer would have saved you a lot of money because the structural regs would have told the builder exactly what to use.

Watchingthyme · 21/08/2019 21:46

He’s planted fear in you. In reality, how many people really fire bomb or attack someone kids over a ccj

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/08/2019 21:48

Cross post. Vile man. Dick head. ☹️

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