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How do you come to terms with being screwed out of £60,000?!!

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greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 20:06

I have posted about this before under a different user name - just in case anyone recognises the story - things have progressed further now though.

I am genuinely looking for any wise words that might help me see this whole situation in a more positive light or just help me navigate a way forward.

We had an extension built earlier this year - and I know that to own a house and be doing an extension already makes me someone who has been incredibly lucky in the general lottery of life.

We borrowed 50K from the bank which was the max we could (on top of our mortgage) according to our salaries so there is no possibility of borrowing more for a long time.

Throughout the build the relationship with the builder broke down completely as he got furious with us for ever questioning or complaining about anything. At the end of of the build he sent us a final invoice but we sent back a snagging list and also the requirement for the final building control inspection (having found out he had not organised any of the interval inspections with building control in spite of telling us he had both verbally and it was in his contract to do so).

He went mad at us and started making threats if we don't pay him all the money and has carried out some of these threats including contacting my place of work and telling them I am mentally unstable and have post natal depression and am aggressive and volatile (our second child was born prematurely during the build and we also have a just turned 2 year old), he contacted social services and told them the same, that we were a risk to our children and my husband is abusive. He contacted the GMC and told them I was not safe to see patients (I am a doctor). He has threatened to contact my husband employers with similar and also my Dad's. He has threatened to send bailiffs round. He has told us he wants us to lose everything including our home. Just for the record there is absolutely no basis to any of his assertions about our character.

It was hell. Eventually we got the police involved and the harassment side of things has now stopped. Nothing has come of any of his accusations as they are all baseless but it was a terrifying time - never knowing what his next move might be.

Now he has backed off but cut a long story short it turns out he did a terrible job of the build - to the extent that it will have to be knocked down and re-built. No part of it complies with building regs not least the foundations are not deep enough. He told us he was getting building control in but he wasn't. Quotes for the re-build are coming in at £60,000 plus but we won't be able to afford to this for a long time - this means we are tied to the house and the area until we can which was not our plan.

I know we will eventually cobble the money together through a few years of hard saving and contributions from family and we are incredibly lucky to be in the position to do that. But I can't get my head round all the other things we could have done with that money - not least for our children. I can't believe how hard he went after us - and me in particular - having recently given birth - and all along he had completely screwed the whole thing up. We will have to change the way we live for the next few years to save the money.

The reason I am posting today is because we finally found out for sure there is no point in pursuing him for the money - he is personally liable but doesn't seem to have any assets - so we would win in court but never actually get the money.

Can anyone help me frame this in a more positive light? I know I am so fortunate in SO many ways - I just need to get my head around this so I can move on. Anyone got any stories of having been though similar and come out the other side?

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soreknees · 21/08/2019 20:50

It terrifies me that builders can get away with this. Why are there no regulations on this sort of thing?

We’re about to start an extension and just doing some basic work on the house as it is has highlighted how clueless I am and how easy a target I would be for these cultures.

Get Dom and Melinda onto it!

livinglavidavillanelle · 21/08/2019 20:50

Oh bloody hell, that's awful OP. I can completely understand that you don't want to poke the bear as such, but if I was in your shoes the sheer injustice of it would eat away at me. I would do everything in my power to expose this bastard, if nothing else to prevent it happening to other people. There are some real evil fuckers out there, I can only hope that karma will eventually catch up with him. A friend was recently swindled out of £55k by conmen hacking into her emails when sending the deposit to their solicitor for their first home. Remember it's not your fault, I'm sorry this happened to you

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 20:53

Initials are not RL - I suspect there are lots of these scumbags around though

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LizzieSiddal · 21/08/2019 20:55

Great I’m glad the thread is helping.
I do have an experience where our business lost a lot of money through no fault of our own. It was horrific and took us 3 years to get straight. I knew if I was going to be able to get through this, I had to put my head down, work, and just get on with life. The three years whizzed by and it felt such an achievement to have got through it.
Life is full of shit Grin and coming through the other side of it, does make you feel bloody good about yourself.

JazzyGG · 21/08/2019 20:55

PLI only covers him for damaging people or breaking existing property not his shit work unfortunately. If he has damaged other things worth a try though.

I'd bloody run him over.

IAmBannedAgainTheBastards · 21/08/2019 20:55

It doesn't have to be work related for your union to get involved. It's worth exploring

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 20:55

Interesting mix of advice from let it be to go for the jugular. All food for thought though so thanks. I must admit after all the hell he's out us through the idea of just not thinking about it for a while is appealing.

And so sorry to anyone who's had something similar - it is the worst feeling...

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CandleWithHair · 21/08/2019 20:56

I don’t understand why builders like this aren’t dealt with in the courts with custodial sentences. It’s outrageous. I’m so sorry OP, I’m really not sure how you come to terms with this. I’d genuinely be considering counselling to help!

Coffeeisnecessary · 21/08/2019 20:56

Are his initials Cs?! We had similar and it was horrendous, time does help but I'm so cynical now. Its a truly shit situation in which you feel so powerless. I hope you do take him to court, I wish I had although we got to the point where we just tried to move on.

CandleWithHair · 21/08/2019 20:58

Or maybe hiring a private detective to spy on this guy and then using whatever you learn to concoct some sort of terrifyingly petty but very satisfying revenge that ruins his life. Either or.

yabloooo · 21/08/2019 20:59

I think the advice to put it in perspective is good, move on and forget him and live a good life as your revenge, but more than this, I would get second opinions on the 60K. Have you had advice from a structural engineer? You might get charged £150 or so for some savvy advice about what is really necessary which may cost a lot less, which you could then discuss with the council employed structural engineers to see if acceptable, if you haven't already done so. And when ready to get builder quotes, get as many as possible - there are some great builders who do not charge the earth as well as awful ones out there.

The problem with @lemonaddict's advice is that he may well think the same thing ... possibly I am just a wuss

nocoolnamesleft · 21/08/2019 21:01

60k? Bloody hell, that's a lot of locum shifts. Sympathies.

soreknees · 21/08/2019 21:01

PI is a good idea

thecatinthetwat · 21/08/2019 21:02

Write an article about it op. What went wrong, how you could advise someone else, what to check for etc. Might be therapeutic and might help others..

slithytove · 21/08/2019 21:02

Go after him. It’ll make you feel better. Get the judgement, issue a CCJ, can you put a claim on his future earnings? and then break his legs

Or plant Japanese knotweed in his garden

Sammy867 · 21/08/2019 21:10

I really feel the building profession should be regulated better. As a medical professional you would be required to have indemnity so if someone had a complaint that resulted in compensation you could not go bankrupt; the indemnity would cover the costs of compensation.

I believe that all tradespeople should have to have the same indemnity as it not only covers the client should anything happen but the tradesperson as well. I know it doesn’t help your case but I believe it happens so frequently that if enough people gathered together it could be discussed via parliament as it is an area where as a homeowner I am very hesitant to get involved; we could do with an extension but I have not been able to gather the courage to go through with it.

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:12

@yabloooo

We have had 2 x contractors, a Surveyor and the building inspector all tell us it will be cheaper to knock down and start again rather than try and fix it. I also have the father of a good friend who is a high flying surveyor who is coming next week to give a second opinion for free (so kind) but I'm not holding my hopes out for a different conclusion (actually that's a total lie - I am totally holding my hopes out).

Just for the record - I would never do the arms and legs thing - or similar - my fantasies revolve more around him having to admit what he's done and then pay - simple - oh and be forced to admit he made up lots of lies about us to (we actually looked into defamation proceedings but there's a whole lot more money down the drain there and he seems to have stopped now)

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greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:13

@nocool - I know right?!!

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Sammy867 · 21/08/2019 21:13

Also could you go after him on the slander/ libel / defamation of character/ harassment front as well as the building issues if you were going to go that path regardless? At least if you are going to pursue it you could go the whole way to make sure he pays for everything he did and not just the building issues?

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:15

Totally agree with everyone lamenting the lack of regulation of the building trade - how is it possible this can happen?! Is there any other similar such trade or profession that can get away with this?

If he was a bit better at telling lies he could have ruined my career with a LIE - and he gets to carry on working having done this

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MerryChristmasHarry · 21/08/2019 21:16

Have you at least shopped him to HMRC? That'll be unpleasant for him and I doubt he'll have declared the money either!

greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 21:18

@Sammy867

We looked into defamation proceedings - they are incredibly expensive and as he didn't actually cause me to lose my job my solicitor thought not worth it - he actually spoke to a specialist barrister about it on my behalf and everything (and didn't charge me - my solicitor is an actual prince amongst men)

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Badwifey · 21/08/2019 21:20

@LemonAddict I had the same thought.

Op can you not have him charged with harassment? Surely what he's done is illegal.

I'm sorry for what you've gone through. As someone above said the longer the work is left undone the longer it will take to get over it. Can you borrow from family to have the work fixed.

If it were me... I would have to make sure he suffered some financial loss... be it through the courts or a non legal route.

luanmapo · 21/08/2019 21:20

His initials aren’t D A are they??!! Worried about our builder at the mo!

MerryChristmasHarry · 21/08/2019 21:20

There's also not a great deal of point in defamation proceedings against someone with no assets. It would simply be another expensive judgement with no way to enforce it.