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How do you come to terms with being screwed out of £60,000?!!

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greatbritishknee · 21/08/2019 20:06

I have posted about this before under a different user name - just in case anyone recognises the story - things have progressed further now though.

I am genuinely looking for any wise words that might help me see this whole situation in a more positive light or just help me navigate a way forward.

We had an extension built earlier this year - and I know that to own a house and be doing an extension already makes me someone who has been incredibly lucky in the general lottery of life.

We borrowed 50K from the bank which was the max we could (on top of our mortgage) according to our salaries so there is no possibility of borrowing more for a long time.

Throughout the build the relationship with the builder broke down completely as he got furious with us for ever questioning or complaining about anything. At the end of of the build he sent us a final invoice but we sent back a snagging list and also the requirement for the final building control inspection (having found out he had not organised any of the interval inspections with building control in spite of telling us he had both verbally and it was in his contract to do so).

He went mad at us and started making threats if we don't pay him all the money and has carried out some of these threats including contacting my place of work and telling them I am mentally unstable and have post natal depression and am aggressive and volatile (our second child was born prematurely during the build and we also have a just turned 2 year old), he contacted social services and told them the same, that we were a risk to our children and my husband is abusive. He contacted the GMC and told them I was not safe to see patients (I am a doctor). He has threatened to contact my husband employers with similar and also my Dad's. He has threatened to send bailiffs round. He has told us he wants us to lose everything including our home. Just for the record there is absolutely no basis to any of his assertions about our character.

It was hell. Eventually we got the police involved and the harassment side of things has now stopped. Nothing has come of any of his accusations as they are all baseless but it was a terrifying time - never knowing what his next move might be.

Now he has backed off but cut a long story short it turns out he did a terrible job of the build - to the extent that it will have to be knocked down and re-built. No part of it complies with building regs not least the foundations are not deep enough. He told us he was getting building control in but he wasn't. Quotes for the re-build are coming in at £60,000 plus but we won't be able to afford to this for a long time - this means we are tied to the house and the area until we can which was not our plan.

I know we will eventually cobble the money together through a few years of hard saving and contributions from family and we are incredibly lucky to be in the position to do that. But I can't get my head round all the other things we could have done with that money - not least for our children. I can't believe how hard he went after us - and me in particular - having recently given birth - and all along he had completely screwed the whole thing up. We will have to change the way we live for the next few years to save the money.

The reason I am posting today is because we finally found out for sure there is no point in pursuing him for the money - he is personally liable but doesn't seem to have any assets - so we would win in court but never actually get the money.

Can anyone help me frame this in a more positive light? I know I am so fortunate in SO many ways - I just need to get my head around this so I can move on. Anyone got any stories of having been though similar and come out the other side?

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bellabasset · 22/08/2019 21:13

First of all sympathies for the situation you find yourself in.

Apart from DIY SOS, who seem to help families with illness/disability adapt their homes there is Dominic Littlewood, also my favourites are Rogue Traders Matt Littlewood and Steph McGovern. These programmes have investigative teams who research the background of the individual, access to information that as members of the public we cannot access.

Have you looked at your household insurance to see what legal cover you might have as you have increased borrowing on your house to pay for work

Good luck with however you try to proceed but please try to out this individual and prevent him ripping off other people. You can do some simple research yourself, eg do you know where he got the builders materials from, who they were charged to, how they were paid, how long he traded etc. Be cheeky, phone suppliers for a ref, put a PAYG simcard in your phone and use your maiden name.

FelicisNox · 22/08/2019 21:23

3 words: small claims court.

I would also contact the police and explain you are being harassed. Ask to speak to a community officer and inform him of the threats made, show him the poor work.

Contact the council and inform them of your problems with this builder and ask them to assess his work; once you have the report you can then take him to court. If he turns up at your house again, call the police.

I would also speak to a solicitor, get them to write to him detailing all issues, attach a copy of the inspection report and request reimbursement on the basis he has violated his contract with you and not produced as promised. It will also prove to the court you've made the effort to deal with it appropriately.

Good luck.

Xenia · 22/08/2019 21:31

(Fel - small claims court is for claims under £10k only by the way so not appropriate here and you don't get anywhere suing someone with no money unless you have a blank cheque book and just want revenge)

teachermam · 22/08/2019 21:44

Where on earth did u find this guy?

Toomuchtrouble4me · 22/08/2019 21:51

Surely it can be rectified without the whole lot coming down?
You’re a doctor so you must earn a few quid - you’ll be fine.
At least you’ll be careful who you hire in future. Live n learn.

nuxe1984 · 22/08/2019 22:07

You won't move on until you get closure. And you won't get closure until you've taken him to court and had the satisfaction of winning this .. even if reality means you won't get anything.

However I'd pursue it even if you think it's pointless cos he doesn't have any assets. He may have more than you know about. And if he does gain any assets in the future he will have to pay you.

He picked on you cos he knew you were vulnerable with a new baby. Fight back.

MerryChristmasHarry · 22/08/2019 22:09

Even if you're too scared of him to go to court, do shop him to HMRC. You can do it anonymously. For tax evasion, and also if he has kids, he might well be getting tax credits. You could fuck that up for him too.

manicmij · 22/08/2019 22:49

Is he a member of any building association? A very long shot that if so they may be able to help. Also trading standards can pursue him, he may well be doing the same to other folk. If you are in any way responsible in having him stopped you should take comfort from that. Horrible feeling to find you have been ripped off. It is horrible but you are able to recognise what is really important in your life. You will survive.

Mammajay · 22/08/2019 22:51

Please don't blame yourself for not realising he wasn't getting the building inspector checks - you are a doctor not a builder. I hope the next surveyor who is coming to see the work has better news for you.

Mimmi78 · 22/08/2019 23:11

He should have insurance? This is a Insurance claim for defective workmanship. Also if anyone else is doing this kind of work you take out an insurance policy, often called a mini OCIP or residential joint names!

TheBrilloPad · 22/08/2019 23:12

For* everyone saying take him to court and obtain a CCJ, you can't use small claims court for amounts over 10K, so it costs you 4.5% of the claimed cost just to file the initial papers. That's £2,700* before you do a single step of work - any legal fees, solicitors costs, enforcement costs etc. You'll throw another £10K away just to give him a CCJ (at best). And the hearing would be 9 months down the line. 9 months of disclosure, case management hearings, all sorts. At some point you have to decide whether it's worth the cost.

Shirls22 · 23/08/2019 07:22

I would be contacting BBC Watchdog and get Matt Allwright onto him

Namenic · 23/08/2019 07:41

OP - It can happen to all of us. We all have to have a measure of trust for life to function. You were very unlucky. Yes with hindsight getting an architect would have been good but you weren’t to know and you were doing a very stressful exam while pregnant. Look at positive things like your family and the help you do in your job. Good luck!

elfies · 23/08/2019 08:00

If you're in the North the Scottish Sunday paper The Sunday Post used to follow up on such cases , and I believe there was a TV programme called Rip Off Britain which did it too.
Hugs and Good luck

scubadive · 23/08/2019 09:26

Hi op, i’d Take out a loan and get fixed ASAP. If you are a doctor you should have a good salary, interest rates are very low so maybe a loan if you can’t add to your mortgage, or a second mortgage. Your employment is going to be solid so no real risk.

I wouldn’t Perdue him, he sounds totally unhinged and you don’t want that craziness to start up again.

Put it down to life’s experience, you have learnt a lot and will be clued up for the rebuild, and any future builds in this or future homes. It’s a learning experience ( a very painful one I know).

Don’t beat yourself up about it, it could happen to lots of people and does. I do t think anyone would have an architect for one small flat roof extension, just not necessary, other than protecting you from bogus builders but that’s not really the main point of an architect.

Maybe in the future when you feel stronger you could go after him but for now I would just chalk it up to experience.

scubadive · 23/08/2019 09:27
  • Pursue nit Perdue!
scubadive · 23/08/2019 09:27
  • not, god fat fingers!
Janicejaniceahmfallin · 23/08/2019 09:31

OP, I really feel for you. We are going through exactly the same thing at the moment (have recently posted about it on another thread) and it’s nearly broken us.

In our case these ‘builders’ (criminals) conned lots of families out of tens of thousands of pounds and left all of us living in highly dangerous, structurally unsound wrecks.

Some of the other people involved have taken a group action via Trading Standards which has been ongoing for over a year and may now possibly see some results. Nobody will be getting any of their money back (as in your case, these people hide or divest all their assets, seem to own nothing of any value and bear no personal liability for their actions). But they may get some jail time and possibly be prevented from scamming anyone else in the short term.

The action was driven by a tenacious lady who was definitely of the ‘go for the jugular’ school of thought, and I hope the results she’s achieved will go some way to giving her and her family closure. Initially I was all for supporting the claim, but realised it was taking such a toll on all of us at a time when we were at absolute rock bottom, that I pulled out.

I felt guilty and selfish doing so, because it meant the claim was less likely to succeed, but at the time we were literally running on empty, financially and emotionally, and the added mental and administrative load of pursuing these people was more than I could cope with. Plus, it keeps the whole thing - the stress, the anger, the emotion, the despair -bubbling right on the surface as you’re faced with talking and thinking about it every day. For us, it was definitely the right thing to let it go - it still makes me more angry than I can say when I dwell on it, but the relief of just walking away with the aim of putting it behind us was immense.

Once we’d made that decision, we could start to try to navigate a way through it all. So I guess what I’m saying is, it’s different strokes, and you need to the approach the situation in whichever way you feel will give you the greatest peace of mind, whether that’s going after the bastard, or walking away with your chin up.

And you’ve already found - as we have - that there are really kind people out there who will do their best to help you. We’ve subsequently had wonderful builders working here as and when we can afford it, and other professionals have shown such generosity it’s really restored our faith in people.

The state of the legal and regulatory frameworks in this country needs another whole fucking thread, btw. It’s utterly iniquitous and beggars belief that we endorse a system that allows career criminals to set up and collapse companies with impunity, to falsify qualifications and testimonials, to steal from and intimidate people with no fear of any real consequences. Apparently in the US this doesn’t happen bc builders are personally liable for customers’ losses to the tune of three times the contract price (that’s what I’ve heard, anyway - I’m sure someone who knows can confirm if that’s true!).

Good luck, OP. Take a few deep breaths every day and regroup. If the fury you feel doesn’t provide fuel for action then you have to try to let go, as it’ll only eat you up. Whatever happens, we are still, as you’ve said, very lucky in the grand scheme of things and all this will pass in time. Count your blessings and remember you’re not alone.

PS Sorry for epic post - subject is close to my heart as you can probably tell Grin

Biddie191 · 23/08/2019 09:53

We had a similar but fortunately not quite as bad experience - paid out the money, job not finished, some of it very shoddy but fortunately not a complete demolition job. He went bankrupt. Then we found out he has form for this - all money somehow ends in his wife's account, he has no assets, yet they're now trading under another name, driving round in a brand new Jag. She works part time in a bank. Makes my blood boil. All a few years ago, but I still have days when I feel like screaming about it.

Vynalbob · 23/08/2019 10:59

He may have assets buried watchdog brill.
Courts, police etc would def consider.

Cloglover · 23/08/2019 11:15

Hi OP, I haven't got an practical advice but just wanted to add that people like that pray on people being in a vulnerable situation to pull the wool over their eyes. Busy couple, non building experts, about to give birth... It's all very well saying should have, could have but the reality is you sounded like you you made the right enquiries. Whenever we get anything done like this it is a leap of faith. Being too cynical can be paralysing. The sad reality is that he most probably got more of a buzz out of pulling the wool over your eyes knowing how highly qualified you were. The way he reacted by pursuing you is not normal and shows definite signs of instability. It's hard to protect yourself against people like that so please try not to blame yourselves. He clearly has no conscience or empathy. And sounds like a pathological liar. It is so hard to protect yourself from these people.

I have often been plagued with situations going around my head over and over, and not being able to let things go. I went to a hypnotherapist who was amazing. Within the first session I felt so different. She also gave me relaxations to help. This is the only advice I can really offer.

You have the 'deep' foundations for a blessed life. Either counselling or hypnotherapy could help you to move on from this really really unfortunate incident.

Justasecondnow · 23/08/2019 11:44

Hi OP, so sorry this happened to you. Similar happened to a friend and they decided not to pursue, they’re smart people and realised it wasn’t worth it. And given your solicitor advises against I wouldn’t. It seems it would cost you more and there’s a good chance you would get nothing back. Worst of all your still in the head space of a crisis.

I think a good bit of wallowing and ranting and so on makes sense. And then like you’re doing focusing on the good stuff you still have. It will take time but you will put it behind you. You come across like a good person in your posts OP. I strongly suspect you’ll have a good life with good people in it. That awful human being of a builder will not. Someone who can be so deceitful and cruel cannot possibly be capable of healthy relationships. Happy people don’t do what he did.

Attitude84 · 23/08/2019 12:55

I am so sorry for what you’ve been through and it made my bloody boil just reading it. I would do what I could so that the scumbag can never work in that industry and do that to anyone else. He sounds like a piece of shit and I really hope you didn’t pay him the rest of the money!!! I’d do what I can just to make his life difficult and get some closure for all the upset n fraud he has caused. I hope things get better x

JustDanceAddict · 23/08/2019 13:10

What a c*nt he is.
I would get proper legal advice on this. Years ago we had aggro from a tradesman and dh got a lawyer friend to send a letter. It worked. It’s very hard to get decent tradespeople who are good and honest.
However, your situation is awful and I would want proper redress if possible.

Toriadoria · 23/08/2019 14:00

I've not read all the replies but goodness me this sounds very much like a builder in the town I live he was horrendous to a friend who employed him to do an extension on her house. I can't believe there are other builders out there who behave like this and get away with it Shock. The builder here has been bankrupt numerous times, threatened people and still gets loans out to buy or hire flash/very expensive cars Confused. I do hope it isn't the same builder Hmm

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