UK lost measles free status

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So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

Forced HE just denies children their entitlement to a good education, since their parents might not have the skill or resources to do it properly.

I agree with this. There are people being forced into home educating already and some parents really struggle to provide an education.

Also by forcing home education for those who choose not to vaccinate you are just pushing the problem onto those of us who home educate and do vaccinate.

I came here to start this very thread. Appalling behaviour by the brain-lacking fuckwits

The government is starting a new campaign to increase uptake, when they should just make it mandatory for entrance to school/nursery.

This is not an entirely sound policy because the real anti-vaxers, would just switch to home schooling.

Fuck.. never thought about that...

What’s the issue with the anti Baxter’s switching to home schooling? It keeps the unvaccinated children away from vulnerable kids?

Thanks Skaife I might look into that (needle phobia aside!). My work does bring me into regular contact with children and if incidences of those diseases are on the rise.....

If we force people to have their dc vaccinated they aren’t going to stop talking about it on social media. Unrelated health problems will then be blamed on the vaccinations and it will be increasingly harder to counter misinformation. We need to persuade them that it is ok, not just that we say it’s ok so shut up and comply or we’ll deny your child’s right to an education.

@herculepoirot2 only in extreme cases is PR removed.

If you refuse to allow your child to have a medical procedure/treatment a court could over rule you on that particular procedure/treatment but they won't remove your PR.

That's because the state is generally a crap parent so it is considered better to have a person related to the child preferably a biological parent then other relatives doing the parenting.

hercuke I assume note on GP’s file is probably required after so many children have fallen off the radar and it is queried why nothing was picked up after various pointers including not going to HV appointments. If there is nothing else of ‘risk’ happening there won’t be an investigation, but if other concerns are raised then it might result in an investigation.

If you refuse to allow your child to have a medical procedure/treatment a court could over rule you on that particular procedure/treatment but they won't remove your PR.

I was talking about extreme cases. But the court won’t order vaccinations.

but if other concerns are raised then it might result in an investigation.

Sure.

Honestly the easiest way to increase uptake is to make vaccinations a requirement to access ALL government benefits and as a condition of the birth certificate. Most antivaxxers aren’t that into their ideology that they would go through any real disbenefit / inconvenience for their imaginary one. Most of the ‘information’ for antivaxxers comes from Pakistan / China based Instagram pages - these sites are banned in their home countries and yet available overseas to thickoes who don’t know how to use Google to find valid sources of information.

Acknowledge that there is a tiny risk

This info is widely acknowledged and easily available on the NHS website.

Another issue with forcing anti-vaxxers to home educate is that they will raise anti-Vaxxers. They will brainwash their children and the problem will get worse, not better.
My DCs have several friends who were never vaccinated because of anti-Vaxxer parents. It is only because these kids went to a regular school and had contact with vaccinated kids like mine and access to impartial, scientific information that these kids are going to the GP when they turn 16 and requesting vaccinations.

Honestly the easiest way to increase uptake is to make vaccinations a requirement to access ALL government benefits and as a condition of the birth certificate.

So you are literally a non-person unless you agree to any medical procedure sanctioned by the State?

NailsNeedDoing Mon 19-Aug-19 08:35:17
I only ask that because my dc are recorded by the NHS as unvaccinated because they received single vaccines, and the NHS point blank refuses to change that despite me giving them proof that they are both vaccinated and immune (they had the blood test). It has always irritated me that they contribute to the statistics of unimmunised children, despite being fully immunised.

They are their own worst enemy. This is why people don't trust vaccines. Because why are they so against people having them done separately? Plus all the reports of kids becoming ill or disabled after having them.

@Teddybear45
Condition of birth certificate? You do know that the vaccination schedule goes from birth to Yr10 meningitis riiight? Are you suggesting no birth certificate until yr10 (age 14/15)?!?

Some doctors and pro vaxers can make parents feel stupid and irresponsible for expressing doubts. There can be a tendency amongst the govt and medical profession to take a 'we know best' approach and while the doctors mostly do know best, they must remember that they are dealing with people's babies. It's natural for a parent to not want to inject their perfectly healthy child with something that could potentially be harmful. So don't gloss over that as if it's nothing.

Also agree with a pp that when medicine does go wrong, the parents are not supported by the state but left to deal with the consequences alone, much of the time.

@herculepoirot2 - yes. This does apply in a lot of countries where people die from MMR. Would you prefer the UK to wait until the the rate of child death as a result of failure to vaccinate increases before implementing? Antivaxxers are not only murdering their own kids, they are murdering kids who can’t have the vaccination on real medical grounds (as opposed to the imaginary ones the thickos concoct in their heads).

Back in "the day" before vaccines, quarantines were widely used as disease control measures.

I don't know whether requiring mandatory vaccination for school and daycare is a good idea. But I think it would be "fair enough" if people who do not vaccinate for non-medical reasons could basically be told "every time there is a local outbreak, your children will be put under quarantine and forbidden to be in public spaces such as schools until there is a notification that the outbreak is at an end." Like, if you want to live in the way that people lived before vaccines, then fine, but it cuts both ways.

Birth certificates etc are for the child's benefit. You cannot make children's lives harder by denying them these things on account of choices made by their parents.

but it is not fair to put that on people who choose not to vaccinate their children because they believe that is in their best interests.

Yes it is! It's completely fair! If you choose to make a decision for your child which directly and provably has a negative effect on the health of a other child, it is completely reasonable for you to be blamed for those negative effects on other children.

Measles is a horrible illness. Being quite ancient I had all the childhood illnesses apart from mumps, but for some reason not until I was 14. I was quite ill with measles, quite ill with rubella and also with chicken Pox. All of my friends had the full set of these conditions as children and none of us had lasting illness or disability as a result. I quite understand that the repercussions for some children can be very serious but the over emphasis on this probably acts as a factor that puts people off rather than encouraging them. Remember the AIDS adverts with the tombstone? totally unproductive. The second point, which was made on television this morning is that it is very hard for people who are at work to get home and take their children to GP appointments, especially if it is a special time set aside for vaccinations. And why not encourage single vaccination if this suits the parents better, surely that is better than no vaccination at all.

Yes it is! It's completely fair! If you choose to make a decision for your child which directly and provably has a negative effect on the health of a other child, it is completely reasonable for you to be blamed for those negative effects on other children.

It doesn’t directly and provably have an effect. It might. And it isn’t reasonable to blame me because another child can not be vaccinated. If I think vaccination will harm my child I am entitled to that choice.

The refusal to recognize single-vaccines is a bit stupid. How does the NHS deal with people coming in from other countries, where the vaccine schedules may be different? In Japan, for example, mumps is always a separate vaccine.

Would you prefer the UK to wait until the the rate of child death as a result of failure to vaccinate increases before implementing? Antivaxxers are not only murdering their own kids, they are murdering kids who can’t have the vaccination on real medical grounds (as opposed to the imaginary ones the thickos concoct in their heads).

I would prefer the Government not to try to mandate what I put in my child’s body. The approach should be educational, not coercive.

My dc were all vaccinated, but I always approached it with great trepidation, and a thankful feeling afterwards, when there were no apparent bad reactions, that we had dodged a bullet. If other people feel like that, I can understand some who can't face going through with it. You don't have to agree with someone to understand them.

And to those saying that anti-vaxers are putting their own children first, implying that those who get their children vaccinated are doing it for the greater good - utter bs!! Whether you get your child vaccinated or not, it is always, always because ultimately you feel it's best for your own child.