UK lost measles free status

[Stressedout10]

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

I think that part of the problem is also increased immigration and travel (as above)

I've said this twice already on this thread but nobody is listening. They prefer to bang on with their virtue signalling. Most people don't vaccinate for the good of society, they vaccinate for the good of their children. At least I did. I wasn't thinking of society, I was thinking about whether it made sense for my son to be vaccinated (eg in year 10 when he had the meningitis jab it was a no brainer for me). Yes that makes me selfish but of course I decided the "right" way. But not for the "right" reasons.

And of course we already make medical decisions for people in the UK. Refusing women abortion in NI is an obvious example - thereby forcing them to go through some sort of childbirth whether vaginal or c-section.

dreichhighlands

Yeah, you’d struggle to get a doctor to hold down an 11 year old to inject them here. Christ.

berlin is right about the travel.
Despite compulsory vaccinations having a major airport means my state is at risk of a measles outbreak.

Either debate or don’t. Snark isn’t helpful.

You're intelligent enough to understand what I posted, so clearly you're just choosing not to.

You're intelligent enough to understand what I posted, so clearly you're just choosing not to.

I know. I understand it. I don’t get how it changes what I am saying. I know how it works in the States; it doesn’t make it right.

Happily hercule as a profound atheist I don't have to worry about god, just my dc.
My dd wasn't against having the vaccinations, she wasn't able to control her panic about needles in the moment. The nurses assured us it actually wasn't that uncommon at that age.

Case in point: the poster planning to have a 12 year old sedated so they can forcibly vaccinate her above. That is understandable for a parent worried about illness, and for a parent operating in a system where the right to education is removed if she won’t do it. But it is straight up wrong.

I mean, if OH are at risk of actually catching measles because our ancient vaccinations are no longer effective, we could pass it on unwittingly to unvaccinated children??

I can't seem to get an answer to this.

Obviously I take that back if your DD consents to sedation.

No, it’s managing a needle phobia. Her dd knows she needs vaccination but her phobia is preventing her.

I'm asked for an enhanced DBS certificate to work with children, but not about my measles vaccination status. Are older adults with faded immunity a weak link in the chain?

She has already asked if sedation is possible but the staff explained that they really try and avoid this for dc.
We will continue to try and work on her needle phobia as this would be the most helpful for her long term. Although she hasn't always felt this strongly so hopefully it will fade naturally.
But I believe the shots are needed for health reasons and this is the single best reason for having them as does my dd.
DS is really relaxed about them thank goodness.
But just because something is hard doesn't mean it is wrong.

I mean, if OH are at risk of actually catching measles because our ancient vaccinations are no longer effective, we could pass it on unwittingly to unvaccinated children??

I haven't heard of 50s being recalled autumn, that is interesting. And of course there is an older crew who were never vaccinated against measles at all (or mumps - rubella yes), as it wasn't available until about 50 yrs ago. Many though not all of those people would have had measles so may be immune, but I assume a percentage would not have done. It would be interesting to know if they're going to be invited as well.

But just because something is hard doesn't mean it is wrong.

I am not saying it’s wrong because it’s hard. I am saying it is wrong because - and you will forgive my bluntness - your DD has been taught since she was old enough to express an opinion that her opinion didn’t count. She can say no, and she will be held down. She can struggle and she will be restrained.

It’s revolting. Sorry.

No, it’s managing a needle phobia. Her dd knows she needs vaccination but her phobia is preventing her

Do you not think it’s possible that the annual physical assault is what is driving the phobia?

@SoonerthanIthought

I think OH had measles but I didnt. But our medical records are rubbish. I had surgery at Alderhey for example when I was 8 and my GP can only find the barest mention of it.

She really hasn't. She has managed to get through without having to be held.
It has been a while since she needed any shots and the staff said that it isn't unusual for dc to struggle at this age as there has been a gap since they needed any.
Dc don't have annual vaccinations.
Regardless, 2 minutes of being held is small price to pay to protect her, she and I know this.
She also said afterwards that she was trying to remember the pain so that she didn't panic next time, because it wasn't worth the panic.
If she got ill she would have many more needles, again she understands this.
What I know and she doesn't is what it feels like to have your dc in intensive care, wired up to a bank of monitors and drips for days. That is much worse than 2 minutes of watching a nurse hold her to keep her safe.

No, I don’t think the ‘annual physical assault’ is driving it. Maybe have a read up on needle phobias?

dreichhighlands

You and I have to disagree on this. From the sounds of it, I would be seriously worried about what was going to happen for your DD in the future when it comes to asserting her rights against authority figures. I am horrified. Please don’t talk to me anymore.

No, I don’t think the ‘annual physical assault’ hmm is driving it. Maybe have a read up on needle phobias?

Let’s change the subject. I feel a bit sick.

Ah autumn, I think I've read that if you have had measles itself you usually have pretty lasting immunity - but one issue is that you/dparents may not remember, and also that sometimes another rash might have been mistaken for measles, so you can never be absolutely sure of immunity without a blood test.

If you ever get the vaccine (I assume they've restocked now?!) it would be really interesting to hear what the practice nurse says about whether this is just policy in your region, or whether there's a particular reason for it! I haven't heard of any similar age group-related recalls.

Interesting to Google for 'vaccination mumsnet'. Apart from a tendency to want to give 'both sides of the argument' equal status and some instances of what looks very like journalistic trolling, our heads seem to have been on pretty straight.

Yes, without mass blood testing it's hard to determine who was exposed to measles and developed immunity as a child in my age group, and who wasn't, around the British Isles. Throw in the increase in inter-community mobility, crap records from the 60s/70s, misdiagnosis and unreliable memories, and the recent loss of herd immunity, and it's a minefield.

I'm seeing a practice nurse next week for a health NOT thing, so I'll inquire and report back, @SoonerthanIthought.

health MOT

Some rights are absolute, including the right to decide what to put in your body.

No one is forcibly vaccinated. If you chose not to vaccinate without a valid medical reason, there are restrictions to minimize the risk to others.

I'm asked for an enhanced DBS certificate to work with children, but not about my measles vaccination status. Are older adults with faded immunity a weak link in the chain?

If you had measles you are almost certainly not at risk and this can be confirmed with a blood test. Or if you're not sure you can just get the MMR vaccine to remove any doubt.

If you were vaccinated it depends on when. Some early versions of the vaccine weren't effective into adulthood.

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html

See the section at the bottom of the page on who does not need the vaccine for the details.