UK lost measles free status

[Stressedout10]

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

Fucking leper colonies. Honestly.

*WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat”

Gah! angry Don't they realise the damage they're doing??”

No. Because 🤪🤯

New Zealand is also on the brink of having it's measles free status revoked. 😟

Aderyn19

Seriously MumWhoKnocks, that's your contribution to this discussion?
Thinking that bodily autonomy is worth protecting or that a parent has more right than the state to decide how a child is raised/looked after, does not make someone a twat.”

Yes it does when that decision may kill the child.

To be honest, I don’t know what makes me the most sad. The poor children who for a medical reason cannot have the vaccine and are at serious risk OR the poor children with idiot parents who do not immunise. Imagine explaining to your child “sorry you are partially deaf (or other issue), mummy read a lot of stuff on the internet and decided to go against the doctor’s advice. I thought I was protecting you”

for those of us that got children with disabilities, knowing our children were fine before injection, we can say how difficult it is for the children and us especially when the children have no speech or understanding of the world around them. Knowing that your child was fine until after this injection it's not easy and having to fight for everything to help and support the child.

I am so sorry that your child is disabled. I don’t know how you know that the vaccine is responsible though.

My twins seemed completely normal developmentally - one had some health issues from birth but no developmental issues. They both regressed significantly, for one he lost most of the skills he had acquired pretty much overnight. It was terrifying. Had this happened close to a vaccination I can imagine I might have blamed the vaccine... but they were fine until 18 months old, 6 months after their 12 month jabs. They are autistic, regression isn’t a common feature of ASD, and was way before MMR or most current vaccines were introduced.

The fact that regression can occur between 12 and 18 months in autistic children is one of the main reasons that ASD and MMR were linked in the first place. That doesn’t mean they are connected.

I know how hard it is to have disabled children, believe me. I’m sorry you feel you could have prevented it but I would entertain the possibility that there’s nothing you could have done that would have changed things

Yes it does when that decision may kill the child.

And you give the decision-making power on medical interventions concerning your child to the State, or they take it from you, there is no possibility they will kill the child?

Ohflippineck Hercule isn't anti vax. She hasn't put her child or anyone else at risk. What she has done is argue that bodily autonomy is really important and the state shouldn't be able to routinely overturn PR - that to do so can lead us to all sorts of unintended consequences which are not good for human rights over all.

This discussion is about the balance of those rights and the rights of others to not be given diseases that they cannot protect themselves against.
To just call someone a twat recognises none of the nuance if this discussion and contributes nothing. Especially when said about a person who has actually vaccinated their dc.

Having a mandatory vaccination programme doesn’t need to mean giving the government permission to force any drugs they see fit on to your child. Other countries have navigated this well, and are seeing the benefits.

I wish all those people talking about their lack of personal responsibility, even if they spread a disease that kills someone, would go and live on an island with like minded people. They’re always happy to benefit from others taking the (very small) risk,funny that.

As I’ve said on other threads, my son spent nearly two weeks on paediatric HDU shortly after being discharged from nicu, because someone came into NICU with whooping cough. We spent two months there and nurses were frequently having to send people home because they came into a neonatal intensive care unit with bugs. They knew how vulnerable the babies were but they did it anyway, because many people are inherently selfish. If you act in such a manner and a child dies or becomes disabled because of it, how do you live with that?

It’s going to be interesting to see how many anti vax parents rationalise not giving their children the vaccine in a climate where children contracting mmr and suffering permanent injuries and fatalities is becoming a regular occurrence. I’d imagine it’s much easier to leave your child unprotected when it’s been virtually eradicated. Not so easy when you know there’s an outbreak in your area, your school. Perhaps, unfortunately, this is what was needed for these people to understand the consequences.

Exactly Kolo - rates always increase following an outbreak, because people suddenly realise there’s actually a good chance of contracting it.

Like those parents in Canada who refused to seek medical help for their very sick child and relied on alternative medicine for help. They called an ambulance eventually, but their child died anyway - their child had meningitis and may have been saved if they’d seen a doctor earlier. If you’re willing to call an ambulance when your child is about to die, clearly you’re not ethically opposed to medical treatment.

Exactly Kolo

I remember one of my friends in the 90’s telling me she kept her daughters really healthy to protect them against childhood diseases, so she wasn’t vaccinating. She was a nurse.

She changed her mind thank god.

Having a mandatory vaccination programme doesn’t need to mean giving the government permission to force any drugs they see fit on to your child.

It means the Government giving themselves permission. That’s what “mandatory” means.

@Herocomplex you’d imagine a nurse would understand better than most how diseases are transmitted 😬.

Are you deliberately misconstruing what I wrote or is it accidental?

The point is, having a mandatory vaccination programme for the current childhood vaccine schedule would not mean that the government has carte blanche to force any drug of their choice on to your children.

The point is, having a mandatory vaccination programme for the current childhood vaccine schedule would not mean that the government has carte blanche to force any drug of their choice on to your children.

But they would have done exactly that. What am I not understanding here?

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They’d be making a select list of vaccinations mandatory - that doesn’t mean they can go on to include anything they want in that list whenever they see fit, if the change in law is handled correctly.

They’d be making a select list of vaccinations mandatory - that doesn’t mean they can go on to include anything they want in that list whenever they see fit, if the change in law is handled correctly.

I don’t want them forcing even one drug on me or my children. But once they have done so, the argument is there for them to do it again. The core right not to have medical interventions forced on you without a direct order from a court will have been overthrown. You are very naive to think that would be the end of it. Are you young?

ODFOD. No, I am not young but I see that, for some, being a selfish and patronising arse doesn’t improve with age. Funny how it’s often your name I see popping up in this context.

Please show me any evidence of a mandatory state vaccination programme being used to push through other mandatory drugs being written into law. I’ll wait.

It’s not that I’m naive, it’s that you’re trying to justify your ethical egoism by suggesting something is inevitable when it isn’t.

A bit OT but I was at the chemist yesterday and they mentioned that the annual flu vaccine is now available. It's quadrivalent this year. It's out a bit early this year.

I was thrilled as it means that DS can get it before he goes back to uni in two weeks.

Please show me any evidence of a mandatory state vaccination programme being used to push through other mandatory drugs being written into law. I’ll wait.

That is irrelevant. Once the right has gone, it’s gone. The first time is used to justify the second time. That’s how precedent works.

My immune system is compromised due to an autoimmune condition, as is dd's. We'd both take the risk the vaccines pose over the risk of the illness itself in a heartbeat. Not everyone is as lucky as us, though, and some people simply have to try to minimise the risk of catching the illness.

Imagine your child has cancer. After some horrible treatment she is returning to school the HT and all the staff are trying to make it aas easy as possible for her. A letter has gone out to parents asking them to be especially vigilant this term, keep their children at home if they seem off-colour etc. A family have been on holiday abroad whose children aren't vaccinated, they played with some kids who were hatching various childhood diseases - measles for instance. Your recovering child is in the same class as one those children, and there's a child with a fluey coldy thing. Your child develops the cold and behind it, measles. It's only taken being in the same classroom for one day, and there's your child, off school again but this time with measles. Really really sick. You and the doctors don't know if s/he'll survive. S/he does survive, but now is blind, more immune compromised than before, and guess what? The cancer's back.

This actually happened.

Jux

That's horrendous for the child and family concerned, but in that situation I would never send my child to school until their immune system was working again. Forget measles, but what about the many other diseases in circulation that aren't vaccinated against? Why would anyone risk that? You can't just blame an unvaxxed child. The immunocompromised child could pick up any disease circulating in the supermarket, play parks, cinema, wherever. The flumist is now performed in school and is dangerous to immunocompromised people for the 28 or so days that it sheds. School is not a safe place for such children irrespective of there being unvaccinated children there. What about unwell/unvaccinated/waned immunity adults working at the school and/or picking up their kids....

That is irrelevant. Once the right has gone, it’s gone. The first time is used to justify the second time. That’s how precedent works.

It’s not irrelevant though is it? Other places have implemented this without falling down that slippery slope you’re so concerned about 🙄

I would never send my child to school until their immune system was working again.

So in some cases that would mean never sending your child to school again. Or letting them leave the house.