UK lost measles free status

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So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

herculepoirot2 This isn't a case of performing medical treatment on a patient without consent because in all cases with young children the patient is unable to give consent.

There is an honourable history of cases where for example parents have refused medical treatment (say a blood transfusion) for their child where the hospital have applied for a court to act in loco parentis to ensure treatment is provided and that the childs interests are given primacy rather than the parent,

Sorry if being thick (probably am 😂) but if everyone else is vaccinated won't it just be the anti vaxers who get it and have the consequences?

@origamiunicorn

And those too young for the vaccine/allergic to the vaccine ingredients/too ill to have the vaccine...

*This isn't a case of performing medical treatment on a patient without consent because in all cases with young children the patient is unable to give consent.

There is an honourable history of cases where for example parents have refused medical treatment (say a blood transfusion) for their child where the hospital have applied for a court to act in loco parentis to ensure treatment is provided and that the childs interests are given primacy rather than the parent,*

I am aware of this. This is nothing at all to do with the argument being put forward by Bellini.

In your example, the child’s interests are considered by the court and the judgement is made that the parents are not meeting them. That hasn’t happened with regards to vaccinations and I don’t think it will or should, but granted, it might.

A court that rules that a child has to be vaccinated to protect another child or adult is in breach of the Human Rights Act.

I was once told by a woman I know that I was harming my child getting them vaccinated, that I was selfish to put these chemicals in her body. That if I was in any way smart I would do some research before doing it.
I have a biology degree, she doesn't.
I asked her if she had any idea what some of these childhood diseases can do to children. She replied that it was all a lie and they were mild diseases, think of the chemicals etc.
I then asked he if she wanted to tell my dad that, she looked confused. I explained my dad grew up without a father, due to him dying of polio when my dad was little. My dad and uncle had both had the polio vaccination so they were fine. But if she wanted to ring and tell him about why vaccinations were a bad thing I would dial the number for her.
She got up and walked away.
One of my dads first memories is seeing his dad been driven away in the back of an ambulance. My grandma was a great believer in vaccinations probably cause she had seen 1st hand what these disease could do.

@BunchMunch maybe ask your DD to consider getting the MMR jab now then? I hear the illnesses are worse in adults and there have been quite a few outbreaks on uni campuses so she's in a high risk age group.

DD had the singles (it was a stupid decision I made back then and relly I did actually know better, but I was really ill myself for quite a few arsnd my brain and cognitive abilities were seriously impaired). I was not, never had been, anti-vax however.

She had the normal MMR booster when she went to school. I have just told her what @Errolthedragon said ^^ about mumps, and I'm happy to say that she's getting on to our surgery now to discuss it another booster before she goes to Uni in a few weeks.

Thanks Errol (did you used to bear a ring? If so, hi!)

There were several students in dd's classes at College who weren't vaccinated. Despite being old enough and having the competence, they seemed to think that their parents knew best so having vaccs themselves was not an option for any of them, even at age 18. We can only hope that they will change their minds once they've seen a bit more of life. This stuff perpetuates.

Does anyone know what Wakefield is doing now?

"Bellinisurge wants it to be a crime to refuse medical treatment. "
Nope. She doesn't. But don't let it stop you enjoying your little fantasy. I notice you don't appear to have had a go at posters who likened antivaxxer position to child abuse.

It’s so upsetting and infuriating isn’t it? I have looked after many elderly people suffering from long lasting and debilitating side effects/conditions caused by exposure to diseases we now have vaccines for. Awful to think we are going backwards instead of forward with regards to vaccines, and endangering so many vulnerable groups. Especially young children. Shame on anti vaxxers.

Nope. She doesn't. But don't let it stop you enjoying your little fantasy.

Then your examples about people killing you (like drunk driving) are nonsense, and actually you don’t think they would be responsible for killing you in that way? Thought not.

I notice you don't appear to have had a go at posters who likened antivaxxer position to child abuse.

Those points have been covered comprehensively on this thread already.

There is a reason why some parents are afraid of giving the vaccine to their children and the government should try to look into parents fear rather than acting like bullies.
for those of us that got children with disabilities, knowing our children were fine before injection, we can say how difficult it is for the children and us especially when the children have no speech or understanding of the world around them. Knowing that your child was fine until after this injection it's not easy and having to fight for everything to help and support the child.
so mothers and fathers and everyone lets talk and don't to be horrible to one another because our views are different
Everyone wants what's best for their children.
Life for our children with measle is horrible so is life with children with disabilities.
they can offer the single vaccine. and stop ignoring parents.

@Jux Wakefield is dating Elle McPherson - random!!

Wakefield is dating Elle McPherson - random!!

Jesus.

www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6814112/elle-macpherson-andrew-wakefield-relationship/

I wonder why we do t just make them all wear gold stars and be done with it?

I’m not anti vax but I am pro informed choice. Like any medical procedure there’s a risk, which is there in black and white in the product insert. Kids can and do have serious side effects to vaccinations, and even die. The three month baby jabs caused my daughter to have a severe reaction, and so we had the single measles vaccine on a paediatric ward so she could be resussed if she went into as anaphylactic shock. Thankfully she didn’t.

Perhaps the solution is safer vaccines, single vaccines, and being compassionate and understanding rather than vilifying parents who are doing the same thing we all are, trying to make the best decisions for our kids.

I had to delay my daughters year vaccinations until she was 15 months as she had been ill with recurrent chest infections
When she had the mmr, she then had 4 weeks of temperature and clinical signs and symptoms of measles , mumps and rubella and really quite poorly with and do you know what I thought... thank fcuk I had those done because if she got that poorly with a tiny bit of live vaccine, how poorly would/could she have been if she got the real thing.

We are so lucky to have the healthcare system we have and the vaccinations available to us to keep us as safe as possible. We don't have some horrendous diseases like polio, small pox, TB BECAUSE of vaccinations- it seems that people have forgot what epidemics these diseases can cause and have become blasé about protecting where we can

My friends little boy who is 2 has cancer and despite him being up to date with his vaccinations all the chemotherapy has completely wiped his immune system so if came in to contact with these viruses (as let's face it we don't know our kids have these things until a few days after when the spots or whatever show up) he wouldn't have the immune system to fight this.

#provaccinationstheyarethereforareason!!!!!!

There was no MMR when I was little, think it was DPT only. I had measles as a child, and remember being ill with it. I never had mumps, and don't remember having rubella, but was pronounced immune before I got pregnant. Not every child back in the day had measles, as I didn't have mumps. Am I risk because I could get mumps and those who didn't have measles back in childhood a risk to others? |Should us oldies get vaccinated? I've never had chickenpox but my siblings had it badly. my children mildly. Am always worried when a child I've been in contact with gets it

I seriously think that parents whose non-vaccinated kids end up with permanent health issues as a result of preventable diseases should be charged with grievous bodily harm. If a kid dies, it’s manslaughter by gross negligence. It sounds harsh but it really boils down to that.

I went to an exhibition on child health at London Metropolitan archives a few months ago, and had a good look at 19th century mortality bills - statistics of deaths and their causes compiled at the time by different parishes. Measles was one of the biggest killers, along with stillbirth and various infections. It’s really an eye-opener, as all of history is really. Pity so many people don’t learn from it.

The antivax argument against “putting chemicals in children’s bodies” is so stupid it beggars belief.

Everyone puts chemicals in their bodies every time they breathe, eat or drink. Should we stop doing that too, just to be on the safe side?

Anti-vaxxers make me cray. There are children who are immune-compromised for a number of reasons (chemotherapy, etc.) who are not safe at school because measles is circulating thanks to anti-vaxxers.

Measles is not a joke. I have a deaf son and am therefore plugged into the deaf community. Most of the adults I meet who have his (very common) form of deafness (unilateral sensorineural) were deafened by measles as children. Children die from it. Children suffer lifelong disabilities from it. All because of some ego-boosting iconoclasm from their parents. Stupid.

Everyone puts chemicals in their bodies every time they breathe, eat or drink. Should we stop doing that too, just to be on the safe side?

I find it staggering that someone making this argument is calling other people stupid. People aren’t suggesting that any and all chemicals should be kept out of their children’s bodies, are they?

“I seriously think that parents whose non-vaccinated kids end up with permanent health issues as a result of preventable diseases should be charged with grievous bodily harm. ”

Does the same go for parents whose children end up with permanent health issues as a result of having a bad reaction to a vaccine? hmm

I could just cry