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UK lost measles free status

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Stressedout10 · 19/08/2019 08:26

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

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herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 17:45

Price worth paying for your libertarian ideology, more like.

Just as my life would be a price worth paying to protect your right not to be held down and have a kidney removed. Yes.

Firstworddinosaur · 20/08/2019 17:46

Crikey, is science really taught that badly in schools or were the antivaxers just not paying attention in those lessons?

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 17:49

Yes, having a vaccination is exactly like tying somebody down and forcibly removing their kidneyHmm.

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 17:51

Yes, having a vaccination is exactly like tying somebody down and forcibly removing their kidneyhmm.

Criminalising someone for refusing a vaccination to protect you is very similar to forcing you to be a donor to save someone else. 1) The principle of autonomy is being violated 2) That is being done to protect someone else.

wildchild554 · 20/08/2019 17:52

can't blame anti vaxxers for an outbreak, if you believe the vaccines work which I know for a fact you can get still measles when vacinnated, you can still get whooping cough when vacinated and can still get flu when vacinated from personal experiences. If you believe they work 100% then why worry? They can't pass a disease if they don't already have it, in theory the ones not vaccinated may get it, although as I have said even vaccinated children can still get a disease. I don't agree with making it compulsory as parents should be allowed the choice as to whether or not to vaccinate as there are risks, I nearly lost my first son due his first vacinations and my second son regressed and has various issues now for which he's undergoing assessment after the first mmr vacine, this will be something he has to deal with for the rest of his life because of me. Plus none of us get the flu vaccine as everyone in my family who have had it including myself twice have been seriously ill from it, plus as I had it when I was pregnant both times we have now all ended up with dairy allergy and soya intolerance which if you go to the vaccine manufacturers website is labelled as a possible side effect. I know the risks and I feel guilty everyday for just doing the done thing and not looking at delayed vaccine schedule with individual vacines at least for my children because whats happened is my fault for doing what others said. If I had another child in the future I would definately at least do a delayed vaccine schedule with individual vaccines and stop if I spotted warning signs. If that was a problem for other people that wouldn't bother me as my responsibility is to my childrens well being.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 17:52

And again, you are creating a fantasy where I am forcibly vaccinating people. Bizarre.

HugoAvril · 20/08/2019 17:52

So you all believe that the antivax kids, who are disease free, are spreading measles. Nothing to do with the third world were importing? We allow people from disease ridden countries to enter the UK. I personally know of someone who had been incredibly sick in Morocco over the last few weeks, that is waiting until she returns to Belgium to access their health services for free (She us a Morrocon residing in Belgium). That's just one story of someone from my extended family. But it's more PC to bash the antivaxxers.

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 17:54

And again, you are creating a fantasy where I am forcibly vaccinating people. Bizarre.

You just compared someone giving you measles to someone killing you while drunk driving. The latter is a crime. We coerce people not to commit crimes through the threat of punishment. So although you wouldn’t be physically forcing them, if you got your way, you would be coercing them.

The people who have coerced others into accepting medical treatment are on the wrong side of history. Yes, that includes the Nazis.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 17:55

Happy to criticise both @HugoAvril .

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 17:56

Here you go again @herculepoirot2

Sedlescombe · 20/08/2019 17:57

herculepoirot2 In principle I would agree with you but for vaccinations it is not just your children you are putting at risk - and by the way isnt the child's interests more important than the parents - but also those who are too young to be vaccinated and who are being put at risk

I think Lookingsparkly has got it about right on this

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 17:57

What? What is the difference here between what the Nazis did and what you are proposing? Don’t take offence when someone calls you a duck if you’re walking, quacking and flapping your wings. What you are now defending was a key part of Nazism.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 17:59

Yup, @herculepoirot2 thinks people who disagree with them are Nazis. Nice.

Pikachusmum · 20/08/2019 17:59

Ive seen a child die from this.(not this country when I did my gap year in Malawi) These Anti vaxers should be done for child abuse.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 18:00

I didn't propose anything @herculepoirot2 . Sorry to spoil your narrative.

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 18:00

Yup, @herculepoirot2 thinks people who disagree with them are Nazis. Nice

How is this even credible to you when you type it?

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 18:01

I didn't propose anything @herculepoirot2 . Sorry to spoil your narrative.

You plainly did.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 18:01

Because you just said it. Are you going to make a list of people who disagree with you. It's quite lengthy.

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 18:02

Because you just said it. Are you going to make a list of people who disagree with you. It's quite lengthy.

No. Please quote me saying “people who disagree with me are Nazis”. Hmm

DanceItOut · 20/08/2019 18:07

I'm not convinced the MMR jab works for some people. I had my doses as a child and when changing doctors after moving house during a few routine tests they said I wasn't immune so needed another jab. I had it again (about age 18) then when pregnant with my son a year later I was told I wasn't immune and needed another one after giving birth so I did that. Then a few years later when pregnant with number 2 I was told I'm still not immune and needed another one and I told them not to bother because I've had about five of them and they clearly aren't working. I still had my children vaccinated because better safe than sorry.

RedCowboyBoots · 20/08/2019 18:13

So you all believe that the antivax kids, who are disease free, are spreading measles. Nothing to do with the third world were importing?

If we vaccinated all people in this country then isolated ourselves completely from the rest of the world then yes, we would be entirely free of measles and no one would need vaccinating against it. Bit of a high price to pay though, isn't it? No foreign holidays, no foreign imports, no foreign trade at all. It's not very feasible in today's world.

So, we are going to have contact with foreign people who may be unvaccinated and, yes, may carry measles. Say they come into contact with an unvaccinated British family while said family is on holiday. The four children in said family then come back to the UK and expose everyone in their schools, nurseries, sports clubs etc to it. In their secondary and primary schools they encounter fifteen people in total who cannot be vaccinated for one reason or another. Who then contract measles. The smallest child goes to a day nursery, where she exposes her fellow three year olds to it. Eight of them have siblings under the age of vaccination, who they then pass it on to. Some of whom die, some of whom sustain life changing injuries as a result.

Yes, the unvaccinated-by-choice kids are posing a risk to the unvaccinated-by-necessity kids.

TrainspottingWelsh · 20/08/2019 18:17

I quite agree Godwin’s law is not applicable. It has moved on into playing chess with a pigeon territory.

herculepoirot2 · 20/08/2019 18:20

I quite agree Godwin’s law is not applicable

Godwin’s Law simply states that the longer the discussion goes on, the more likely till it is that someone will mention Hitler/Nazis. It is a light-hearted and satirical observation, intended to parody serious discussion.

But this is a serious discussion. The medical doctors at Nuremberg were convicted of performing procedures on patients without their consent, because that is a crime. Coercing someone to accept medical procedures they don’t want is a crime.

Bellinisurge wants it to be a crime to refuse medical treatment.

What would you call that?

Sedlescombe · 20/08/2019 18:21

DanceItOut I am in no position to disagree but - as with climate change - I will put my faith in science rather than science-deniers.

BunchMunch · 20/08/2019 18:34

Dd (now 18) didn't have the MMR - The GP advised against it due to febrile convulsions.
DS (11) didn't have it either as I was concerned about it causing convulsions. He was later diagnosed with autism /adhd.

He also developed measles a few years ago but only fairly mildly. DD didn't catch it despite being in close contact.

They have had all their other vaccs though.

I don't agree with compulsory vaccs at all.

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