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AIBU?

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To have chosen a different life

557 replies

halfwaythroughaugust · 15/08/2019 07:34

I chose to marry a man who to be honest I don’t love. He’s a good man but quite dull and his family irritate me to the point where I dislike them.

I did this because to be honest I wanted children.

AIBU? I don’t think I’d have been any happier if I’d stayed single without my kids.

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 11:42

Or even that people think that is what love is. Some sound like they think that’s what it is based on their posts. All those separating stability and doe eyed for a start.

But no it’s not

Hopefullyendsmeet · 17/08/2019 11:46

Cedar, you sound incredibly bitter and cynical about relationships.
Are you married?

CedarTreeLeaf · 17/08/2019 12:00

Hopefullyendsmeet

Are you? Why do you think you get to learn anything about me? Discuss the topic or move on. The only reason you're so outraged, needing to call me bitter/cynical, is because you feel threatened about your own relationship. Well that's not my problem.

Alsohuman · 17/08/2019 12:02

I don’t think @CedarTreeLeaf sounds bitter and cynical at all, just realistic. Essentially marriage is a contract. People enter into it for a whole variety of reasons. Choosing a reliable father for your children who will provide them with a stable home in a relationship based on mutual respect and affection sounds a lot more sensible to me than marrying for lust and dewy eyed infatuation.

Hopefullyendsmeet · 17/08/2019 12:05

Wow that’s an excessively aggressive and angry post Cedar. I don’t know what your issues are but I hope it all works out for you.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 12:05

You can marry for stability and love. Lucky people who do. Not that uncommon though I’ve found - although people live surrounded by different experiences true.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 12:05

Cedar, Hopefully doesn’t sound like that at all. The opposite.

CedarTreeLeaf · 17/08/2019 12:15

Hopefullyendsmeet

The only aggressive one, is the person who tries to turn a topic personal first. Hence, you.

I hope the rest of your day is as wonderful as you are.

Oblomov19 · 17/08/2019 12:17

Unlike most posters I'm not that shocked. You get threads like this on mn all the time. It's not that unusual.

IndieTara · 17/08/2019 13:48

Hi Op, I get it and in many ways agree with the practicality of what you're doing.

I did something a bit similar ( in that somebody I'd known a long time although no kids together or marriage ) but it hasn't worked out for me. I hope we can continue to be friendly though.

Everybody has different wishes and expectations, if it works for you all then I don't see the problem

ReanimatedSGB · 17/08/2019 14:16

It's far more likely than not that the OP's H is perfectly satisfied with his situation. OP doesn't mention any bad feeling or rows between them. A great many men are perfectly happy with a wife who keeps the house nice, looks after the DC, is reasonably sexually compatible with the husband and reasonably pleasant to live with.

While I have never married or lived with a partner, my DS' dad and I get on very well as co-parents (he doesn't live with me and DS but visits regularly) and consider each other 'family'. DS was a surprise, but when he was concieved, his dad and I were friends-who-occasionally had sex, and we had been for over a decade, so we were able to adjust without bad feeling, and our family set-up works well for all of us. I think part of the reason it works so well is that neither DS' dad nor I have ever been terribly interested in romantic couplehood with anyone - we are both sort of 'married to our work'.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 14:40

I can see how that works well for you Reanimated. I mentioned choosing to co parent below.

Your set up is more about choosing a different life / family path than the op. But still built on honesty.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 17/08/2019 14:48

Wow, Cedar, you seem to have an extremely blinkered view about others’ relationships, presumably based on some poor experiences of your own.

I think there are many types of relationships that can work. I’ve seen arranged marriages work, and ones that initially started out of convenience and grew into love. Many many people DO actually find someone that they have the stereotypical mutually passionate and lustful experiences in the beginning, Cedar, (me included) but if they’ve chosen each other well this then develops into a very stable,respectful and more comfortable long term relationship for many many years after till they grow old, with shared values and interests and similar senses of humour etc. Best friends, essentially. And there are many ups and downs along the way which if you genuinely love each other, will want to work through, even if there are whole YEARS which are not great between you. But usually each partner is ultimately still the other’s Favourite person, and so no, you don’t develop crushes or want an affair or find the other dull, not permanently anyway. My DH of 22 years is still the person I would most like to spend time with, over anyone. I have never found him dull and would be horrified if he found me dull. although I think I would probably realise if he felt like that, I would think it’s extremely hard to hide long term. people do tend to notice a bit of an eye roll, or a huff or a tut, or a “hmmm? Sorry, what?” said in a disinterested tone.

It sounds like OP skipped straight to the second, settled part without experiencing the “shivers up the spine and fanny gallops from his hand brushing your knee accidentally”, which is sad because that’s an exciting stage, but even so I’ve still seen relationships that don’t start with that work out long term because there are no crushes and they are best friends with the shared qualities I just mentioned. Likewise there are relationships that start out like that and people confuse the lust with love but if they thought about it their choice of partner is wholly unacceptable. But they’re blinkered and fancy a wedding so off they go but by the time the day comes round the cracks are starting to show but they feel like they have to go ahead now anyway. They are actually “settling” too. There are many ways to “settle”.

I think, though, ultimately, the fact that OP finds her husband a bit dull is very telling. once the children grow up to mid-teen stage and need you less but are around more, and middle age sets in, with the pressures of older parents and maybe stress at work, relationship problems become more apparent. Finding your partner dull in those circumstances and having a crush on someone else sets you up for an affair. You may find that you yearn to find your “true” partner, if you feel you’ve settled for years and feel flattered by any attention that another man shows you. What if you tell yourself that the crush might be “the one.”

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 17/08/2019 14:57

*It is actually possible to fall deeply, passionately in love with someone and for the relationship to develop into a stable, lasting marriage

Yes, sure, you and all the other Disney princesses.*

Wow.

Well, DH and I have been married for 15 years, have two children and are a very stable family unit...there's nothing "Disney" about it, it's real life with work to do, a mortgage to pay, and all the usual boring day to day domestic stuff but yes, we are still very much in love and there is still passion there. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your view of the world.

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 17/08/2019 15:07

Choosing a reliable father for your children who will provide them with a stable home in a relationship based on mutual respect and affection sounds a lot more sensible to me than marrying for lust and dewy eyed infatuation.

Again, why are some posters think it's a direct choice between stability and "dewy eyed infatuation"?? It is possible to have a stable relationship "based on mutual respect and affection" and actually love each other!

CedarTreeLeaf · 17/08/2019 15:11

You can be best friends with a partner who wasn't prince charming. The issue is that we teach women they have to find Mr. Right and they come up with a laundry list of requirements for the guy. They will never find that guy. It's ok to settle sometimes and it's ok to choose someone you care for, but maybe didn't have a whirlwind romance with. Personally, I feel like dependability is more important than emotional attachment. Maybe its a harsh truth, but it produces better outcomes to the mental well-being of women overall. Maybe others find everything in one person, but this is not always the case and sometimes the heart goes against logic. Sometimes the man you chose doesn't want the same future or won't want a family. Should you destroy your potential future happiness because you gave your heart away to the wrong person in your naive years? No. I have seen too many women be screwed by the men they were in love with. Men that wasted their years until they were too old to have children, but then leave to find a younger woman to start that family with. Men who run off when women get pregnant.

But women who approach relationships pragmatically don't end up co dependent in toxic relationships. They are cared for and they care for their partners. Perhaps it's a little dull sometimes, but dull can be good. Interesting yet firey relationships can burn and cause pain on the other hand.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 15:17

I can see why you say that if that’s what you’ve seen Cedar. I haven’t pretty much all the people I know married were in love, meant their vows as they said them, and then stability followed over time.

I really don’t see love as divorced from stability and trust. The opposite in fact.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 15:19

And love can be there in mundane every day life why not. I do not unlike others equate love only with doe eyed Valentine’s Day stuff.

Fizzypoo · 17/08/2019 16:03

I don't think there is anything wrong with being in a relationship where theres stability and friendship without sparks if that's what you want.

That lustful chemistry is a two way street and theres no way the OPs husband didn't recognise that they didn't have that before marrying her.

He probably felt, like a lot of people wanting to settle down and be in a relationship rather than be single, that he was happy with their relationship being a stable friendship with the odd shag. Lots of people chose to be in a relationship for the family lifestyle rather than the single one.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 16:53

Nah if he knew he wouldn’t be hurt if she told him there was no love.

Alsohuman · 17/08/2019 17:07

Mutual respect and affection sound an awful lot like love to me. A pp said she thought OP does love her husband. I tend to agree with her.

What do you think love is @MarshaBradyo?

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 17:09

I think people are fudging it and the opening post is as stark as you like.

Love is mutual respect, trust and affection and not doing what the op did.

Alsohuman · 17/08/2019 17:10

Cop out. What do you think love is?

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 17:10

I just said Confused

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2019 17:12

Mutual respect, trust and affection particularly in the later years.

Early on might be excitement but could settle into stability long term.

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