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About my children's inheritance?

999 replies

BonyPony · 12/08/2019 10:20

My MIL sadly passed away a couple of years ago and left a large sum of money to my husband and kids. My FIL is very into financial management and has virtually total control of the account. We have to get his permission to withdraw any of the money.
FIL has been very generous and paid off our previous mortgage so we could move house. Husband hated the previous home, which increased his grief, stress and anxiety. We were happy to move but are now struggling financially with the bills from the new house. I cannot get this money out of my head. It is way more than I could earn in 10 years and it is just sitting there.
Meanwhile, I have been a full time at home parent for many years but husband is now pressurising me to get a job to make ends meet. I don't want to disrupt our home life, especially when all our financial worries would be solved by husband getting FIL to let him have the inheritance he was given!

Should I give up and get a job or stand my ground and insist husband fight for the money? (Also am I evil?)

OP posts:
MrsWobble3 · 13/08/2019 09:04

I’m surprised that so many of you have such a bad impression of her dhs behaviour. You appear to assume that he is sitting on large sums of money he is deliberately withholding from the OP. If he really felt the money was his and his alone why would he have spent any of it on paying off the joint mortgage, buying a jointly owned house and an expensive holiday which I assume the whole family went on? I imagine the truth is that he has nothing left and the family can’t afford for her to stay at home. I feel very sorry for him if he is shouldering all the financial worries built up by their joint behaviour.

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:05

I think @herculepoirot2, in your eagerness to defend OP's plan to deprive her children of their inheritance (and her divine right to not work if she doesn't fancy it) you've missed that OP specifically posted to ask about using the DC's money - not DH+DC's money, specifically DC's money, as per the thread title.

I haven’t missed anything of the sort. Your tone is unpleasant.

SuperSara · 13/08/2019 09:06

Your tone is unpleasant.

And yours is utterly batshit, but never mind.

Grin
herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:07

I imagine the truth is that he has nothing left and the family can’t afford for her to stay at home. I feel very sorry for him if he is shouldering all the financial worries built up by their joint behaviour.

But the OP is clearly under a different impression. Why would that be? Why wouldn’t she know her DH had nothing left of his own inheritance?

steff13 · 13/08/2019 09:12

But the OP is clearly under a different impression. Why would that be? Why wouldn’t she know her DH had nothing left of his own inheritance?

I missed the OP's post that she doesn't know what is left of her husband's share.

IceRebel · 13/08/2019 09:12

But the OP is clearly under a different impression.

Is she?

Surely the fact she is talking about taking the children's inheritance, and only the children's is relevant. Yes she mentioned DH inheritance, but that was probably to clarify where the money for the house move and holiday came from.

virginmojito · 13/08/2019 09:13

So many assumptions being made in this thread!

If it is the case that the MIL left £x amount to the DC then, It is quite obvious to everyone on the thread - without exception - that this money should not be used to fund a mortgage they have over- extended themselves on.

Can we just agree that we all agree on this. Please!

However, what Hercule is trying to say, is that the situation may not have been that straightforward. It might have been that the DH was left £x. The DH and or the FIL have decided how to appropriate this money with no consultation perhaps? Or maybe they are being vague about it?

The fact is, we just don’t know.

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:14

I missed the OP's post that she doesn't know what is left of her husband's share.

The OP seems under the impression - quite clearly - that there is something left of a DH’s share. I am asking why, if that isn’t the case, she wouldn’t know.

ombre123 · 13/08/2019 09:15

Sorry OP but it's not your money.... you get so much more out of working than just the money so get yourself back to work again. Good luck x

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:17

Surely the fact she is talking about taking the children's inheritance, and only the children's is relevant. Yes she mentioned DH inheritance, but that was probably to clarify where the money for the house move and holiday came from.

She doesn’t say this, but I can’t help you to read it accurately. 🤷🏻‍♀️

DameFanny · 13/08/2019 09:17

OP - have you spelt this all out to your H? Have you written down explicitly the cost of:

Childcare
School holiday childcare
New working wardrobe and additional transport cost
Cleaning and additional food costs

Plus additional household duties he'll have to take on to make the workload fair?

The childcare, wardrobe etc will need to be available in advance of you working, how will that be funded?

Write it all down and present it to him. Ask him how he would like to sort it out, then walk away and let him find the answers.

And if he can find the answers then do go back to work - I think it'll do your self-confidence wonders.

SuperSara · 13/08/2019 09:23

@DameFanny

So you're suggesting OP presents a list of obstacles to going back to work and if her DH alone, no help from OP, can't find ways around them then she has her excuse to continue staying at home?

That's how it reads.

IamtheOA · 13/08/2019 09:25

Respectfully OP
Work on your issues. You are a grown up, time to start doing grown up things.

Tbh, if you guys bought a house you can't afford, based on money you didn't yet have, then it's probably best your fil looks after your kids money- doesn't sound like it would be safe in your hands.

SD1978 · 13/08/2019 09:32

Ini der stand your views- but if it's more money than you can earn in ten years- it will never be repaid- and the kids will lose out in the future. I'm another advocating you need to increase your hours- or your husband does. He chose to overextend- there is a consequence to this.

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 09:33

I am saying only that IF her husband is hiding money, this is unacceptable, and the OP should have a clear view of the financial decision so that she can either concur or disagree with her DH that they can’t afford for her not to work. I am in opposition to the idea that the OP should just STFU and get ‘any job’.

But there is no hint he is hiding money. Just that you have decided he probably isn't.

You also have just made up the fact that she doesnt know the financial position. When she knows enough to decide the children's money should be fair game.

The only person misreading and adding in facts and assumptions is you

There is nothing to back up your assumption he is hiding money.

The only fact is that the OPs alternative plan for to going and getting a job is using her kids money.

No other plan. Just use theirs.

Her caginess is because she knows that's a dick move.

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:37

There is nothing to back up your assumption he is hiding money.

I am not assuming it. I am saying she needs the full picture of the finances before she goes to get a job bussing tables.

HelloyouKant · 13/08/2019 09:38

How much of the pot % remains from the original?

For what it’s worth - I don't think op is BU.

His inheritance is also a bit family money. If I was OP I would want visibility of what there was, how it was being managed and also a day along with DH as to how to manage it. I would be furious is my fil had more say than me.

Frittering or not, OP deserves visibility and for the decisions to be made within her household.

DameFanny · 13/08/2019 09:41

@supersara nope. I'm saying that her H - who she's said won't help around the house - should be asked to think about the consequences of her going back to work, rather than her being expected to wave a magic wand and immediately start earning enough to make up for his having changed his mind on using the inheritance.

I'm also curious as to the mental health issue that made the paid-for house intolerable - but that's just idle speculation on my part

virginmojito · 13/08/2019 09:42

Ok I’m on the beach today so am getting drawn into all this.... Grin

I’ve been a SAHM for 16 years, as I said. We’ve never had an inheritance, however we did come into a quite life-changing amount of money when DH sold a company. We don’t have as much disposable cash as some people might think though, because we have created trust funds for the three DC with a large proportion of the money, as well as bought them all a flat in London as an investment for their futures and to make it easier to get in the property ladder when the time comes. We also have 3 sets of school fees and uni fees to plan for.

We also moved house following the money and there was a time when things were a bit tight in terms of “available cash”. It’s not that we couldn’t afford the move, but DH is an entrepreneur and had always invested his money in all sorts of things - so much so that the mind boggles really. While this has generally paid off over the years, it has meant that we are far wealthier in terms of assets than we are in terms of liquidity. He takes a long-term view and prefers to make the money work for us and to live off that, rather than spend the money in the short to medium term. Fair enough.

Now I do know that even if I somehow ended up in the streets tomorrow, I wouid never think to try and access the DC’s money. That is non-negotiable and the fact that they have these life-changing finds is the very reason I’ve been a SAHM and supported DH all these years. I wouldn’t have done it for nothing, or if I didn’t have the DC best interests at heart. I do don’t do it to be a martyr or because if housework, that’s for sure.

However, if he suddenly got very vague or shady about where our money is, or started consulting with his father about the management of our funds (not that he has a DF, but theoretically); or if he suddenly started acting as if the investments were all “his” money, while guilt-tripping me or telling me to get a job as a dinner lady because we were broke, I wouid be Hmm to say the least.

I have an MSc and the same level of qualifications as DH and he knows this full-well. It’s not that I’m not willing to go back to work. But I would expect an open and supportive discussion about it, that’s all. Not, “Yes well thanks for looking after my DC for 16 years while I fly round the world and work as and when I see fit with no other demands on me whatsoever, but I’ve over-extended now, as it turns out. Therefore, I deem you lazy, so get a job as a dinner lady because actually you have no choice these days, do you? Unlike me. And no, I’m not prepared to reconsider accessing any of the money I have off-shore or tied up in my investment portfolio. Thanks very much.”

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:46

Not, “Yes well thanks for looking after my DC for 16 years while I fly round the world and work as and when I see fit with no other demands on me whatsoever, but I’ve over-extended now, as it turns out. Therefore, I deem you lazy, so get a job as a dinner lady because actually you have no choice these days, do you? Unlike me. And no, I’m not prepared to reconsider accessing any of the money I have off-shore or tied up in my investment portfolio. Thanks very much.”

Couldn’t have said it better!

MollyButton · 13/08/2019 09:48

The OP sounds stressed and not thinking clearly.
I think the OP has had her confidence dented as she can't just "walk into" a new job. But I think with some advice and looking around for suitable jobs, which might be very different to what she wanted when she was younger. It should be possible.

But having financial stress, and a husband "pushing" her into a job may well be raising stress levels. Especially as she is taking on all the "wifework".

OP I advise you to have a frank conversation with your husband, somewhere where you are not stressed or having to deal with the DC. Have a list of all the "jobs" that stress you. Lay out the options for childcare and the costs. Add in the issues of commuting. Also the costs of additional "help" you may need to employ: cleaners, gardeners etc. Also show him the actual salaries of jobs that you might be able to get.
You also need to discuss budgeting and ways you can make economies or additional income. Could you have a lodger? Or language students over the summer?

I was a SAHM during Primary years - but in part that was because my DC had additional needs - and by the time the youngest was going through school I was being called in about once a week. It was something we dealt with as there really didn't seem to be an alternative.

MollyButton · 13/08/2019 09:49

BTW the OP is a dinner lady if you read all her posts.

theorchidwhisperer · 13/08/2019 09:52

Reading between the lines. I think that MIL wrote her will without putting this money into a proper trust for her son and grandchildren.

FIL appears to be an agreed 'trustee' of this money.

In his mind the money has been divided into four, between your husband and the children and the shares apportioned.

He's already given your husband his share in the paying off the mortgage. The remaining monies are invested for the children for when they come of age.

I'm obviously reading much more that you've said, but I think this is the gist behind his behaviour.

If the money wasn't put into a trust will your husband can insist his share come to him. But the money she left for her grandchildren must go to them.

You'd not be able to spend it either way. Especially if he can prove your husband has already had his share.

It's really up to your husband to seek clarification from his father. Maybe if he seeks out decent child accounts with fixed bonds so they money can't be withdraw by anyone but the child at 18 he might transfer it. But your FIL is not allowed to give you or your husband the children's money. As an executor that goes against the wishes in his deceased wife's will. If the remaining money is 75% of the total left then the money is the children's money and not family money.

Sadly it sounds like your husbands portion is spent. The pot of money you see may be apportioned equally between the grandchildren. If you divide up the money she left into four, do you think the money used to pay off your previous mortgage was about 25%?

If this is the case you'd need to downsize or find extra hours.

LaurieMarlow · 13/08/2019 09:55

Firstly, he should be open and honest with the OP about how much money there is and the logistics of where it is and who it belongs to.

It’s impossible to tell from the OP if he’s doing that. She might be being cagey with us. Or she simply doesn’t understand. Or he hasn’t been honest. All this is the realms of speculation.

Regardless and even if there is a good amount of money in his name only, he’s reasonable to not want this to fund her stay at home lifestyle. Long term family security is important and there seems little chance that the OP will provide it. It would also irk me hugely to see money that my parents had worked hard for frittered away in living expenses by a couple who don’t come across as very sensible with their cash.

There is no pressing reason why she can’t do paid work (she’s doing voluntary ffs).

While not on a par with spending kids inheritances, i would also look very dimly on someone who put their own desire to not work above securing their family finances in the longer term.

herculepoirot2 · 13/08/2019 09:58

Regardless and even if there is a good amount of money in his name only, he’s reasonable to not want this to fund her stay at home lifestyle.

He is not reasonable if this is the case. He has benefited from having the OP at home to raise his children for a decade, and if there is a longer term financial cost to that, he needs to accept it. He doesn’t get to dictate things within a marriage just because he is the main earner, nor because he is the inheritor.