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To confront SIL's about exclusion of DD?

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CorkNight · 11/08/2019 20:00

DD is 14. She has 2 aunties on her dad’s side and 3 uncle’s. Today she came up to me and asked if me or DH had fallen out with either of the SIL’s. I said no and asked why and she showed me a Facebook post of one SIL’s. Both SIL’s, SIL1’s DD16, SIL2’s step DD’s 12 and 14 and one of my BIL’s DD15 were all on the Eurostar. They are going to Paris and come back Wednesday. SIL described it as a “girly holiday”. There are a couple of other nieces via BIL’s but they either are at uni or have young DC so they are irrelevant. DD was confused as to why she wasn’t invited. If it was just SIL1 and SIL2 with their DD’s I could put it down to a sister trip but they have invited BIL’s daughter and SIL1 posted about how she can’t wait to spend time with her nieces.

DD has been invited to trips with her aunties in the past and I’ve always paid for everything and DD has always had a nice time. But things have been strange with DH’s family for a while now. We moved in June and I made a groupchat of all the siblings (DH doesn’t bother with Facebook) and said “Who would be up for a house warming on X weekend?”. Only of the SIL’s replied and said “If we have nothing else on we’ll come x.” Needless to say housewarming never happened. On weekend me and DD were shopping in the city and DH rang to say a BIL had popped round. I said “Oh we’ll come home then and say hi.” and then DH said “Oh well he’s going in a minute.”. Soon after that some of DH’s siblings went to a festival and we weren’t invited.

DD’s exclusion from the Paris trip though has really twisted the knife in. She loves her aunties and cousins. She’s had an awful time with bullying and exlusion from friends at school (her aunties know this) and so her mental health is already in tatters and so to be excluded by her family as well has destroyed her. I confided in my sister about it damn near tears and my sister has been lovely and has arranged to treat DD on Friday. The thing is, DH doesn’t seem arsed about any of it. He just says “Well we couldn’t afford to pay for DD’s Paris anyway.” Which is completely besides the point and as she’s had such a shit time lately I’d have scraped together the money for her to go and have a nice time with her cousin’s. DH denies it but I think we have done something to upset his family (honestly can’t think what) and they have spoken to him about it but he doesn’t want to tell me. He hates conflict and is a bit spineless so rather than go “Okay I’ll speak to my wife about it and see if we can sort this.” he’d just avoid it and keep us seperate.

I want to get to the bottom of this for DD’s sake more than anything, she keeps saying “Well I must just be bad company so why should they invite me?”. This has really damaged her. Would I be unreasonable to contact a SIL? “DD has seen you have gone away without her and is very upset, she’s already having a hard time as you all know and is devastated that she’s been excluded by her aunts who she adores. I suspect me or DH have done something which has upset you all and you have spoken to DH about it but you know what he’s like and he won’t tell me. Could you please tell me what the issue is so we can sort it and I can tell your heartbroken niece that it’s not her?”.

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FifteenYemenRoadYemen · 11/08/2019 22:41

Can you not actually explain to your daughter that sometimes people do not get invited to every event and it does not mean anything has happened. It seems you have fed into her insecurities instead of handling the matter in a positive manner and dealing with her expectation.

You still have a chance to go back now and tell her there's nothing going on, but how about we invite everyone over and you and the girls can do something? Surely you can make some effort for the sake of your daughter? They've made plenty of effort with you to never get anything for their children so why don't you for once do something?

I would not send any message, they are more than reasonable to have plans that do not involve your daughter. Most of your messages seem manipulative and as if you are being dramatic and looking for trouble.

Instead, when they're back, why not actually invite the girls around and plan a day out with them and your daughter? Perhaps you should put effort in now instead of expecting others to. Your daughter has had a hard time and yet you have not once facilitated anything for her to spend more time with her cousins on your own accord.

Time to reflect on your own behaviour and attitude towards them before you go pointing fingers. Also before you crucify your husband, perhaps he really does not know and is being straightforward in saying to let it go. The more you make it a big deal the more you'll upset your daughter.

AGenericUsername · 11/08/2019 22:44

I wouldn't say anything to BIL's wife. If she knows what's going on she won't want to be the one to say anything. You're putting her in a very difficult position. Ask DH and if he refuses then confront the SILs. Your DH needs to grow a pair and tell you the truth instead of burying his head in the sand.

GrouchoMrx · 11/08/2019 22:46

It was very nice of your SILs to invite your DD in the past. I can understand that it is very disappointing for your DD that she was not invited this time.

I can understand why you need to know the background. Teenage years are a minefield; relationships can change dramatically. Ask your BIL's wife discreetly what the story is. Talk to your DH.

Corknight, please do not 'confront' your SILs. You do need to realise that your SILs don't owe you anything.

Savoretti · 11/08/2019 22:46

Do the girls not chat to each other? My DD has her cousins on snapchat/instagram/Facebook and they message between themselves. Seems odd if any organising is only done via parents at their age

MummytoCSJH · 11/08/2019 22:47

I'd flat out ask. Not sure why people are saying don't. You dont exactly have a relationship with them to lose?

saraclara · 11/08/2019 22:47

Don't text.

I want to post that on so many threads. It's such a terrible way to communicate. The recipient can read your words in a totally different 'tone of voice' from the one you typed it in (go on...try it. Pick a message you've sent and read it in different ways and tones). And as someone else said, it gives them time to think for long enoug to come up with a good lie. Most of all, they're able to show it to people that you'd rather didn't see it. And they WILL read it in the most negative or pissy tone of voice they can muster.

Put anything in a text, and it's there forever. Make a phone call or speak face to face, and the words go into the ether. And your tone of voice can'tme misinterpreted.

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 22:49

Do the girls not chat to each other? My DD has her cousins on snapchat/instagram/Facebook and they message between themselves. Seems odd if any organising is only done via parents at their age

A valid point. It could be that the 4 girls who are on the holiday talk all the time on social media and have loads in common. It could be that they get on really well and this holiday is a natural development from that. It could seem rather forced to invite a cousin to come away that isn’t really involved.

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 22:50

I'd flat out ask. Not sure why people are saying don't. You dont exactly have a relationship with them to lose?

So why should the SIL-who she has no relationships with-take her daughter away on holiday?

BackforGood · 11/08/2019 22:55

I think I 'd speak by phone to BiL's wife and ask if she knows anything.

But I'm also confused, if these cousins are as close as you have suggested, how come they aren't all in regular contact via social media regularly, and it was a FB post from her Auntie that was the first time your dd knew anything about it.
My dds (and ds for that matter) talk to their cousins on one medium or another, all the time.

thecatinthetwat · 11/08/2019 22:55

I don't think they expect me to reciporate when the interest has been in DD and not me.

You’re supposed to reciprocate by taking an interest in their dd. Drop this nonsense now op and arrange something with your dd and invite them.

Say to your dd. Never mind, let’s think of something nice and invite them to it. You have to be proactive with relationships not wait around for invites and strop when you don’t get them.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 11/08/2019 22:57

Surely the most likely scenario is DH has told them you can't afford it. Why do think you have done something to upset them?

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 22:59

I know people say SIL's don't owe us anything and it's right, they don't. But DD has just now been in tears again because she's seen more pictures of them in France and has convinced herself she's just a shit person nobody wants around.

If DD reacted to their trip by saying "Eh whatever, I'm not too bothered." I wouldn't be making an issue out of it. Look at it from the perspective of a 14 year old who has been part of a group with her aunties and cousin's for as long as she can remember, since she was a toddler. Only to suddenly be exlcuded one day. When she's already been treated like shit by her friendship group.

She is wrecking her head trying to think of what she's done and keeps thinking of tiny things that she thinks have made her family hate her.

I'm her mother and it is breaking my heart and I need to find out why she's been excluded because I expect it mine or DH's fault and I hate that she's suffering over it. And DH does know why no matter what he says. I suspect the time BIL was round then rushed off because I wanted to come home and see him was because they were discussing it.

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lavenderbluedilly · 11/08/2019 23:01

If these women are fickle enough to do this over a perceived slight, without telling you directly, would you really want to send your DD to Paris with them?

And if there is an issue that they have spoken to your DH about, presumably they would know him well enough if he’s the type not to pass information on.

I honestly wouldn’t pursue this.

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 23:03

And if it is because the rest of the girls are closer to each other than my DD is to them, well only DD would know that really. I hopd to god that isn't the case as I think that would be so so hard on her.

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ballsdeep · 11/08/2019 23:05

I'd text bils wife you have nothing t lose

Quartz2208 · 11/08/2019 23:07

If you think he knows he needs to tell you

Ohmybloomers · 11/08/2019 23:08

I think the crux of the matter here is that old Mumsnet adage. You don't have an in-law problem, you have a DH problem. If you are sure that he knows but is not saying then just tell him that if he won't tell you what the fuck is going on, then you'll ring mil and ask her directly. And then do it.

Goodness knows being with a man who will go so far out of his way to avoid telling you the truth would drive me absolutely batshit. He must've done something awfully bad to go to such lengths to cover it up. Do you think he has borrowed a large sum of money off them or something?

NoTeaForMe · 11/08/2019 23:08

This sounds so hard OP. I think I would probably text BILs wife, but I can’t honestly say that it’s the right thing to do. Just I know that I would want to get to the bottom of it and I agree with PP that you shouldn’t be in touch with “the group” while they’re away.

angieloumc · 11/08/2019 23:08

I definitely would speak to your H again, I suspect he knows more than he's letting on.

Wishihad · 11/08/2019 23:09

Please dont do anything while they are away.

If it gets back to them, you will be accused of ruining their trip and causing drama.

Especially if it comes out that your dh did know.

Are the cousins actually close anymore?
It feels a bit off that you dont think you need to reciprocate, but expect your dd to be invited to everything.

Cod this be the issue?

lavenderbluedilly · 11/08/2019 23:09

I’d try to play it down in front of your DD, as she’s already had a difficult time with friendships. I think it’d be worse for her if she knows you are upset too.

I have 3 SIL’s on my DH side of the family (one is his sister, the others are wives of his brothers). 2 of them are always doing this type of thing - they sometimes invite me, but always exclude the other SIL. And they then make sure to post lots of photos on FB about it. I’ve started declining their invitations, even my DS13 has realised how fickle they are and comments on it. It sounds like your SIL’s are not worth the effort either tbh.

Drum2018 · 11/08/2019 23:09

It's up to you and Dh to calm dd down and assure her that it's not her fault. As suggested by a pp tell her you will chat to SILs when they get back to see if there's any issue between you/Dh and them. Make sure dd understands that she is no way to blame for the lack of an invite. Have you asked Dh straight out if they did in fact ask dd and he said ye couldn't afford it? Tell him you will be contacting them on their return to see what their issue with you all is. I'd probably ring (not text) BILs wife now and suss her out. Though she may be clueless as to why they didn't invite dd this time.

cstaff · 11/08/2019 23:13

Has your dh seen his child in tears over this tonight. If he has and has said nothing just send the text but let him know just before you press send. Maybe even read it out to him. If that doesn't make him tell you then maybe he doesn't know the truth.

One way or another you should find out what's going on.

SavingSpaces2019 · 11/08/2019 23:14

DH denies it but I think we have done something to upset his family (honestly can’t think what) and they have spoken to him about it but he doesn’t want to tell me
I suspect it's linked to the house move.
Either they're jealous etc and being spiteful, and dh n bil are trying to sort it out........or something's been grumbling between them for a while and maybe it could have influenced your house move?

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 23:14

And if it is because the rest of the girls are closer to each other than my DD is to them, well only DD would know that really. I hopd to god that isn't the case as I think that would be so so hard on her.

Sadly, that’s life-you can’t make people like you, and you can’t stop other people getting on more.

I think it’s your job here as a parent to work on her resilience-explain that people don’t always invite you to things.

If you want to build on their friendship-invite the nieces to yours for pizza or a lovely day out. Give them some shared experiences.