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To confront SIL's about exclusion of DD?

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CorkNight · 11/08/2019 20:00

DD is 14. She has 2 aunties on her dad’s side and 3 uncle’s. Today she came up to me and asked if me or DH had fallen out with either of the SIL’s. I said no and asked why and she showed me a Facebook post of one SIL’s. Both SIL’s, SIL1’s DD16, SIL2’s step DD’s 12 and 14 and one of my BIL’s DD15 were all on the Eurostar. They are going to Paris and come back Wednesday. SIL described it as a “girly holiday”. There are a couple of other nieces via BIL’s but they either are at uni or have young DC so they are irrelevant. DD was confused as to why she wasn’t invited. If it was just SIL1 and SIL2 with their DD’s I could put it down to a sister trip but they have invited BIL’s daughter and SIL1 posted about how she can’t wait to spend time with her nieces.

DD has been invited to trips with her aunties in the past and I’ve always paid for everything and DD has always had a nice time. But things have been strange with DH’s family for a while now. We moved in June and I made a groupchat of all the siblings (DH doesn’t bother with Facebook) and said “Who would be up for a house warming on X weekend?”. Only of the SIL’s replied and said “If we have nothing else on we’ll come x.” Needless to say housewarming never happened. On weekend me and DD were shopping in the city and DH rang to say a BIL had popped round. I said “Oh we’ll come home then and say hi.” and then DH said “Oh well he’s going in a minute.”. Soon after that some of DH’s siblings went to a festival and we weren’t invited.

DD’s exclusion from the Paris trip though has really twisted the knife in. She loves her aunties and cousins. She’s had an awful time with bullying and exlusion from friends at school (her aunties know this) and so her mental health is already in tatters and so to be excluded by her family as well has destroyed her. I confided in my sister about it damn near tears and my sister has been lovely and has arranged to treat DD on Friday. The thing is, DH doesn’t seem arsed about any of it. He just says “Well we couldn’t afford to pay for DD’s Paris anyway.” Which is completely besides the point and as she’s had such a shit time lately I’d have scraped together the money for her to go and have a nice time with her cousin’s. DH denies it but I think we have done something to upset his family (honestly can’t think what) and they have spoken to him about it but he doesn’t want to tell me. He hates conflict and is a bit spineless so rather than go “Okay I’ll speak to my wife about it and see if we can sort this.” he’d just avoid it and keep us seperate.

I want to get to the bottom of this for DD’s sake more than anything, she keeps saying “Well I must just be bad company so why should they invite me?”. This has really damaged her. Would I be unreasonable to contact a SIL? “DD has seen you have gone away without her and is very upset, she’s already having a hard time as you all know and is devastated that she’s been excluded by her aunts who she adores. I suspect me or DH have done something which has upset you all and you have spoken to DH about it but you know what he’s like and he won’t tell me. Could you please tell me what the issue is so we can sort it and I can tell your heartbroken niece that it’s not her?”.

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Buddytheelf85 · 11/08/2019 21:01

YANBU to speak to them about it but YWBU to send that message - it’s really manipulative and passive-aggressive, especially when you don’t actually know what’s happened.

I’d also be really irritated by your DH’s behaviour. He seems to know what’s happened but won’t tell you or your DD, which is bizarre and really unfair.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/08/2019 21:02

Whatever the gripe they have, they should not be holding it against children that’s really unkind.

It sounds as if your dd has had a hard time at school. It’s good at least someone in her family is watching out for her.

CupoTeap · 11/08/2019 21:03

Tell him he has one last chance to tell you what's going on or you will ask them

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 21:04

I’m not getting why you or your dd would expect to be invited on the trip. It doesn’t sound as though you’re close.

Yes, I agree.

Do you organise lots of nice things for all of their daughters to do? Or is it always them doing the organising?

Holidays with kids can be pretty stressful-I wouldn’t be adding another to the numbers if I could possibly avoid it.

Why don’t you offer to host a day out or a sleepover at yours with the nieces?

LegoPiecesEverywhere · 11/08/2019 21:05

I am reading this that they brought their own children (on a trip your DH says you can’t afford) and only one niece out of many.
If that is the case yabu.

GrouchoMrx · 11/08/2019 21:09

Have you and your DH ever brought your nieces on trips with your DD?

It seems that you expect them to always bring your DD. But do you and your DH reciprocate?

Coffeeandcherrypie · 11/08/2019 21:10

YANBU to ask. Brushing this stuff under the carpet would not be a good lesson for DD.

steff13 · 11/08/2019 21:10

You said your daughter has been on trips with her aunts before; is it possible these didn't go as well as you think?

Indicative · 11/08/2019 21:11

There may be a number of reasons.

  1. They do not want to have to deal with a teen with MH issues when they are on a nice trip away.
  1. There seem to be 4 of them ie. 2 x double rooms. 1 extra means additional costs for transport, rooms etc.
  1. It may be the cost. You say you would have to scrape the money together so DD could go. Perhaps they realised this and didn't want to put that strain on you/your family. Perhaps they want to go a bit more luxurious and would feel obliged to go low budget if DD was involved.

This may also be why you weren't included in the festival trip. They can be very expensive and if they may not have wanted to embarrass you or make you feel you needed to find the money.

  1. People can do things without having to invite everyone every time.

When your DD pointed out the FB post you should have pointed out no 4 above rather than feed into her insecurities about being left out.

Definitely do not message them while you are away. If you try to spoile their trip for them you/she will never be invited anywhere again.

  1. You don't seem to regularly socialise with them so why would you wxlect to be included in such a trip.
  1. Perhaps it was sil trip and BIL's dd is being taken as a birthday treat.
  1. Perhaps as the two StepDDs have each other SIL's older daughter was allowed to chose someone to go and chose BIL's DD as they are closer in age. Your DD is younger.

I really wouldn't worry too much. Perhaps next time you see SIL just say. Did you enjoy Paris? DD would have been up for that, next time maybe?

Fairenuff · 11/08/2019 21:11

Can you make your dh swear on something he holds dear that he honestly knows nothing? Tell him that you will give him one chance to tell you and if he doesn't you are going to ask your SIL.

I would be more angry with him than anyone else in this scenario because he is deliberately making the situation worse.

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 21:11

Just to be clearer, the other nieces who weren't invited are older. 1 just finished uni and has a very active social life of her own and a partner. The other has a toddler and a young baby. They haven't been on past trips for these reasons.

The girls that went to Paris (SIL1's DD, SIL2's step DD's and BIL's DD) have all been on past trips with SIL's and DD has previously been invited.

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fedup21 · 11/08/2019 21:17

But they don’t have to invite her every single time.

Have you said how much you reciprocate?

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/08/2019 21:18

Do you invite their dcs away? Just wondering if they didn’t want to include your dd again when you don’t reciprocate.

AGenericUsername · 11/08/2019 21:18

If your DH is dodging the question and telling you to forget about it then absolutely speak to your SILs. There's nothing wrong with sticking up for your child. If it were just you and DH being excluded then you could just forget about it but it's upset your DD and she's the one being bullied by adults. They must have been aware that your DD would find out about the trip and see the photos.

justgivemewine · 11/08/2019 21:19

Is it possible they did invite dd via dh, but he said "no we cant afford it" but doesnt want to that admit to you or dd

GrouchoMrx · 11/08/2019 21:20

Why are they the ones always expected to extend the invitation?

Have YOU ever RECIPROCATED the invitation to your nieces?

TheSpottedZebra · 11/08/2019 21:20

Surely we can do things with some of the family and not all? Especially when the family seems to be as big as yours is? Like others have said, it could be that those cousins are closer, rub along together easier, reciprocate more, are of similar financial means, are both learning French, etc etc. It doesn't have to be the case that your dd was excluded for mean reasons.

I think if you go looking for trouble, you'll be sure to find it.

JeanieJardine55 · 11/08/2019 21:23

I wonder if they invited your dd through your dh and he said no, you couldn’t afford it. Perhaps they invited him to the festival too. It would explain why he wants you to forget about it although it doesn’t explain the house warming.

JeanieJardine55 · 11/08/2019 21:24

X-post!!!

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 21:26

Maybe the two sisters are close and wanted to do something together. Maybe one of the girls was told they could bring a friend and the other niece was chosen. There are lots of maybes but you can’t ever assume that family members will jump at the chance to take your kids on holiday! It’s extra bodies, extra hassle-I would never assume anyone would want to take mine, unless I took their kids away loads.

Do you take their kids away loads?

steff13 · 11/08/2019 21:27

justgivemewine, ooh, that might be it! It would explain the husband's evasiveness.

AnneLovesGilbert · 11/08/2019 21:27

Have YOU ever RECIPROCATED the invitation to your nieces?

I think this is a fair question.

Rachelover40 · 11/08/2019 21:29

I do feel sorry for your daughter, CorkNight, and for you. It's very hurtful, I would feel exactly the same and could cry for you (not that that would help).

Do speak to them about it and explain how you and your daughter feel. It would help if your husband would at least back you up. You may find some satisfaction in what they have to say, I do hope so.

Please come back and tell us how things are going.

Very best wishes Flowers Wine

Leeds2 · 11/08/2019 21:31

As others have said, I think your DH knows exactly why DD hasn't been invited and he doesn't want to tell you. Wait until they are back from the trip, and tell him you are going to ask SIL1 for an explanation unless he tells you the truth. He may be trying to protect you/DD eg by saying no to the trip because of money, or knowing that they didn't ask because of DD's mental health issues.

pamelat · 11/08/2019 21:34

Definitely ask

It could be an oversight but it's a big one if so and unlikely.

Maybe there is a reason, I would want to know.