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To confront SIL's about exclusion of DD?

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CorkNight · 11/08/2019 20:00

DD is 14. She has 2 aunties on her dad’s side and 3 uncle’s. Today she came up to me and asked if me or DH had fallen out with either of the SIL’s. I said no and asked why and she showed me a Facebook post of one SIL’s. Both SIL’s, SIL1’s DD16, SIL2’s step DD’s 12 and 14 and one of my BIL’s DD15 were all on the Eurostar. They are going to Paris and come back Wednesday. SIL described it as a “girly holiday”. There are a couple of other nieces via BIL’s but they either are at uni or have young DC so they are irrelevant. DD was confused as to why she wasn’t invited. If it was just SIL1 and SIL2 with their DD’s I could put it down to a sister trip but they have invited BIL’s daughter and SIL1 posted about how she can’t wait to spend time with her nieces.

DD has been invited to trips with her aunties in the past and I’ve always paid for everything and DD has always had a nice time. But things have been strange with DH’s family for a while now. We moved in June and I made a groupchat of all the siblings (DH doesn’t bother with Facebook) and said “Who would be up for a house warming on X weekend?”. Only of the SIL’s replied and said “If we have nothing else on we’ll come x.” Needless to say housewarming never happened. On weekend me and DD were shopping in the city and DH rang to say a BIL had popped round. I said “Oh we’ll come home then and say hi.” and then DH said “Oh well he’s going in a minute.”. Soon after that some of DH’s siblings went to a festival and we weren’t invited.

DD’s exclusion from the Paris trip though has really twisted the knife in. She loves her aunties and cousins. She’s had an awful time with bullying and exlusion from friends at school (her aunties know this) and so her mental health is already in tatters and so to be excluded by her family as well has destroyed her. I confided in my sister about it damn near tears and my sister has been lovely and has arranged to treat DD on Friday. The thing is, DH doesn’t seem arsed about any of it. He just says “Well we couldn’t afford to pay for DD’s Paris anyway.” Which is completely besides the point and as she’s had such a shit time lately I’d have scraped together the money for her to go and have a nice time with her cousin’s. DH denies it but I think we have done something to upset his family (honestly can’t think what) and they have spoken to him about it but he doesn’t want to tell me. He hates conflict and is a bit spineless so rather than go “Okay I’ll speak to my wife about it and see if we can sort this.” he’d just avoid it and keep us seperate.

I want to get to the bottom of this for DD’s sake more than anything, she keeps saying “Well I must just be bad company so why should they invite me?”. This has really damaged her. Would I be unreasonable to contact a SIL? “DD has seen you have gone away without her and is very upset, she’s already having a hard time as you all know and is devastated that she’s been excluded by her aunts who she adores. I suspect me or DH have done something which has upset you all and you have spoken to DH about it but you know what he’s like and he won’t tell me. Could you please tell me what the issue is so we can sort it and I can tell your heartbroken niece that it’s not her?”.

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MustStop · 11/08/2019 21:36

I think your dh is right, forget about it. From what you say it's not just dd but your dh not invited to festival with siblings.
extended families are a nightmare if you get involved with them.
Do something nice with dd and wait for them to contact you, see how long it is.

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 21:38

I don’t get this at all.

Nobody is entitled to be invited on other people’s holidays!

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 21:41

I understand why people are asking if I reciporate.

I am not close to SIL's. Can converse with them but don't have much in common outside family so haven't really built up a friendship with them away from family. They have always been very active in DD's life though and always were inviting her round for sleepovers with their girls and as they've become older it's been trips. Last year it was Edinburgh for a weekend. We had their girls a few times when they were much younger for sleepovers but obviously they outgrew that.

They have always been interested in DD rather than me, I've never been invited to anything. It's always "Does DD fancy coming to this?". This doesn't bother me as I don't expect myself to be asked to things when we aren't that close but for that reason I don't think they expect me to reciporate when the interest has been in DD and not me.

BIL's wife (mother of 15 year old who went) isn't close to them either and AFAIK has never taken SIL's girls out. SIL's are close with each other but not any of their in laws.

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justasking111 · 11/08/2019 21:45

OH will be hoping this all goes away I suspect. Ostrich behaviour

Bookworm4 · 11/08/2019 21:50

I think they’ve asked DH and he’s said no and now doesn’t want you to know he said no.

Zebraaa · 11/08/2019 21:51

Are they over 18 and your DD under 18? If so, maybe they wanted to go out and drink?

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 21:51

Maybe the girls simply aren’t that close with your DD any more. At that age, relationships are a lot to do with shared experiences-maybe they all get together more and just really get along with loads of stuff in common.

It doesn’t sound like you see them much, I honestly can see why they are just doing their own thing now.

We used to spend loads of time with my DB, his son and my DD when they were younger, but now they are 16, the teens have other interests and aren’t as close as they were when they were younger. We still get together, but the kids don’t always come-We get along well though and get together for our own sakes.

If you don’t get on with the SIL and you don’t take their kids away with you, things will probably just peter out naturally. You can’t message them and demand they continue to take your DD away with them forever no matter what.

Zebraaa · 11/08/2019 21:52

Sorry just went back and read your OP and can see they’re under 18.

Ohmybloomers · 11/08/2019 21:57

I agree with pps that your DH knows. Could you ring mil and ask her in a non-confontational way?

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 22:02

Actually I think I might ask BIL's wife whose 15 year old went. She has always been similar to me, not close to SIL's but they've always asked to take her DD out to everything.

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MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 11/08/2019 22:05

Whoever you ask, be ready to accept an answer you may not like or agree with.

Ohmybloomers · 11/08/2019 22:07

Yes bils wife is a good bet because she is a bit removed from your immediate in-laws. Good luck with it.

CorkNight · 11/08/2019 22:11

"Hi (BIL's Wife), I just have something to run by you. I see your DD has gone away with SIL's. I hope she has a nice time, it's just that DD is a bit upset as she's previously been invited to such trips and they've always had a little group. I know it's nothing to do with you but do you know the circumstances of the trip? I want to be able to explain to DD that she hasn't been deliberately excluded and I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation but I don't want to interfere with their holiday by getting in touch."

What do you think? Haven't sent yet.

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Treaclesweet · 11/08/2019 22:12

I wonder if maybe as pp suggest they asked your DH and he said no? And that's why he's being cagey?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2019 22:14

"""Is it possible they did invite dd via dh, but he said "no we cant afford it" but doesnt want to that admit to you or dd""
If this is the case, your DH could end all the fuss and upset by simply acknowledging this. His advice to "forget about it" doesn't help.
your DD is not going to forget about it. She needs to know or will make up something worse in her head.
Your DH needs to listen up and speak up. He is making the problem worse. but I also think for this reason you should, even though you are also hurt, downplay for her sake.

I agree with the pp who said have a non accusatory direct conversation with the most sympathetic SIL. (texting won't work as it can be interpretted any number of ways and I think you want a lighter touch with this conversation)
It's true that they don't have to ask your DD but its also true that its upsetting her to feel that she was included in the past and is now not and is worried about it. But I wouldn't make a huge thing of it... Its also hard to dob your DH in, even if he deserves it as I'd want to present a united front, and not let them know that he witholds information from me, but that is a tricky question only you can decide on.

coldlighthappier · 11/08/2019 22:17

I would tell your DH just before you send any message to anyone or speak to them. If you’re sending a message then show it all typed out. That might be the only thing to get him to fess up if he does know anything!

ChicCroissant · 11/08/2019 22:19

Don't send that, OP.

fedup21 · 11/08/2019 22:21

I wouldn’t send that at all! They don’t have to take anyone on their holiday-it isn’t compulsory. If you make a fuss, they won’t ever invite her to anything again.

If you want the girls to get together-why don’t you invite them all round to yours? Sounds like you don’t really even see them much any more.

Ohmybloomers · 11/08/2019 22:24

You might be better off ringing her directly op. Texts can be misconstrued, and also, you are more likely to get an honest answer if you catch her on the hop.

DotForShort · 11/08/2019 22:27

So you haven’t reciprocated? The in-laws have invited your DD to join them on trips or outings, but you haven’t done the same for their DDs with the exception of sleepovers when they were much younger.

It would have been nice of them to invite your DD. Equally it would be nice for you to arrange something similar and include your nieces as well.

Didiusfalco · 11/08/2019 22:29

If this were me, I would be putting the thumb screws on dh to find out what he knows. It’s his family and it seems he is being cagey.

Tistheseason17 · 11/08/2019 22:35

Yep, check with DH first before sending anything.

billybagpuss · 11/08/2019 22:36

I think DH knows more than he’s letting on too. I agree try ringing bil wife.

Twooter · 11/08/2019 22:40

I’m another who thinks the sisters wanted a holiday and allowed their dds to invite one person to make it an even number.
You’re making this bigger than it needs to be, which will upset your dd and put off your sils from doing anything else with your dd. Don’t antagonise them or make them feel guilty - it certainly won’t help improve family relations.

doodleygirl · 11/08/2019 22:41

Don’t text, pick up the phone and talk

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