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To confront SIL's about exclusion of DD?

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CorkNight · 11/08/2019 20:00

DD is 14. She has 2 aunties on her dad’s side and 3 uncle’s. Today she came up to me and asked if me or DH had fallen out with either of the SIL’s. I said no and asked why and she showed me a Facebook post of one SIL’s. Both SIL’s, SIL1’s DD16, SIL2’s step DD’s 12 and 14 and one of my BIL’s DD15 were all on the Eurostar. They are going to Paris and come back Wednesday. SIL described it as a “girly holiday”. There are a couple of other nieces via BIL’s but they either are at uni or have young DC so they are irrelevant. DD was confused as to why she wasn’t invited. If it was just SIL1 and SIL2 with their DD’s I could put it down to a sister trip but they have invited BIL’s daughter and SIL1 posted about how she can’t wait to spend time with her nieces.

DD has been invited to trips with her aunties in the past and I’ve always paid for everything and DD has always had a nice time. But things have been strange with DH’s family for a while now. We moved in June and I made a groupchat of all the siblings (DH doesn’t bother with Facebook) and said “Who would be up for a house warming on X weekend?”. Only of the SIL’s replied and said “If we have nothing else on we’ll come x.” Needless to say housewarming never happened. On weekend me and DD were shopping in the city and DH rang to say a BIL had popped round. I said “Oh we’ll come home then and say hi.” and then DH said “Oh well he’s going in a minute.”. Soon after that some of DH’s siblings went to a festival and we weren’t invited.

DD’s exclusion from the Paris trip though has really twisted the knife in. She loves her aunties and cousins. She’s had an awful time with bullying and exlusion from friends at school (her aunties know this) and so her mental health is already in tatters and so to be excluded by her family as well has destroyed her. I confided in my sister about it damn near tears and my sister has been lovely and has arranged to treat DD on Friday. The thing is, DH doesn’t seem arsed about any of it. He just says “Well we couldn’t afford to pay for DD’s Paris anyway.” Which is completely besides the point and as she’s had such a shit time lately I’d have scraped together the money for her to go and have a nice time with her cousin’s. DH denies it but I think we have done something to upset his family (honestly can’t think what) and they have spoken to him about it but he doesn’t want to tell me. He hates conflict and is a bit spineless so rather than go “Okay I’ll speak to my wife about it and see if we can sort this.” he’d just avoid it and keep us seperate.

I want to get to the bottom of this for DD’s sake more than anything, she keeps saying “Well I must just be bad company so why should they invite me?”. This has really damaged her. Would I be unreasonable to contact a SIL? “DD has seen you have gone away without her and is very upset, she’s already having a hard time as you all know and is devastated that she’s been excluded by her aunts who she adores. I suspect me or DH have done something which has upset you all and you have spoken to DH about it but you know what he’s like and he won’t tell me. Could you please tell me what the issue is so we can sort it and I can tell your heartbroken niece that it’s not her?”.

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 13/08/2019 13:55

BIL who represents MIL approved the loan and repayment schedule. DH had previously had a loan which was repayed. I can't see why family should take umbridge at this or indeed why it wasn't kept between DH and BIL.
DH should def have told you, its a much more reasonable explaination for why she wasn't on the trip and would have saved both you and DD from a lot of angst. You need to present a united front to the inlaws and can only do that if he is frank with you. I'd keep right out of money discussions tho and leave that to him.
All you can do now is try to move forward and reconnect with some of the friendlier inlaws, with the aim of improving things for DD, without airing grievances etc.

Sentry70 · 13/08/2019 13:57

Here we are again, another thread with people ripping the OP to shreds over and over, making accusations that they absolutely cannot verify, attacking the personality of a 14 year old child and stating that she is developmentally delayed and 'not normal'. Stating opinions as fact as if they know better than everyone else and would have behaved so much better in absolutely any given scenario. So much vitriol over something so small. Who of us here have never behaved irrationally, or made a mistake or just got upset over something because life has been a little challenging of late? So much nastiness dressed up as 'plain talking' and the likelihood is that the whole event will eventually blow over and no harm will really be done.

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 14:01

DH had previously had a loan which was repayed. I can't see why family should take umbridge at this or indeed why it wasn't kept between DH and BIL.

Yes that it took them ages to pay back and agreed they wouldnt do it again.

Scraping together for paris would have looked bad, when a few weeks ago they couldnt afford to move. If scraping that together meant a missed payment. It would have looked even worse.

OP didnt know it had come from mil. But its not surprising they didnt ask the dd to come knowing he had, had to borrow money for moving costs only a few weeks ago.

OP knew he had borrowed the money so must have expected for it to be paid back

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 14:02

OP, do you know if your dh has kept up to the repayments?

I am wondering if that's why bil came round while you were out?

Cassilis · 13/08/2019 14:14

The OP would have looked awful, producing money to paris

No she wouldn’t because the in laws were all complicit in hiding the truth from OP that DH had borrowed money from MIL!

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 14:47

@Cassilis maybe som

But op knew he had borrowed it. And it needed paying back. No one was going to believe she genuinely though he was just found 2k.

And since she doesnt work (so not a couple who has seperate money), they may not have been annoyed at her, but at her dh if he also missed a payment as well.

Maybe not annoyed at her but there would have been raised eyebrows and then the OP would have been even more mortified that she paid for paris at the expense of paying the mil back.

And they then further distance themseleves from them.

The dh really fucked up here. But the OP, hid her head in the sand about too. Probably because deep down she knew where it came from.

We have all done it. But OP cant go texting people and getting upset and texting people, when she is aware her dh is hiding financial things from her. And she did know he was hiding it.

Cassilis · 13/08/2019 14:50

But she didn’t know he had borrowed it, she only suspected it was wish

Why are people assuming that she has knowledge of all their finances? It’s possible that the DH controls finances so OP could only guess that money had been borrowed.

cornish009 · 13/08/2019 14:55

BIL who represents MIL approved the loan and repayment schedule. DH had previously had a loan which was repayed. I can't see why family should take umbridge at this or indeed why it wasn't kept between DH and BIL

Even if BIL represented MIL, can you not see how other members of the family may see it as a little unethical to borrow such sums of money from a lady with dementia.

I have been through this myself with my mother having dementia, and as Power of Attorney I would not have thought it right to approve a loan from her money, even if I knew that she may have previously agreed prior to the dementia. Not just because it did not feel right morally, but also because of the legal ramifications when it later came to care home fees, when I was asked to account for all the transactions in the previous years. Legally I could have been in trouble.

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 15:04

Cassilis shevausoected he borrowed it and chose not to question it..

I dont believe anyone if they say they didnt have money to move and their dp produced 2k, they wouldnt enquire about where it came from.

Especially when borrowing from family before caused issues, in paying it back.

She suspect he borrowed it and decided to ignore it. So, yes, she is partly to blame for where they are.

Motoko · 13/08/2019 15:25

@Sentry70 It always seems to be the same posters, and you'll know that they'll accuse the OP of being unreasonable, even if it's blatantly obvious that the OP is NBU. They like twisting the OP's words and making up scenarios to suit their narrative, so they can put the boot in.

It's so predictable, and so nasty.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2019 17:29

I don’t see where it says op doesn’t work. But if she doesn’t, she should work at least pt if she is able as money sounds really tight. And if she doesn’t, I think it is odd that she hasn’t ever taken the cousins away /to hers as they get older. A camping trip for example isn’t expensive.

Unless she comes back to explain, I do agree with Weezol and others that it has been take take with little to no reciprocation.

It does perhapssound unfortunately as if op and her dh have ruined the situation for their dd.

fedup21 · 13/08/2019 17:48

@mummyoflittledragon

OP said And I am going to look into getting a part time job

Suggesting she didn’t work at the moment.

abombinitaly · 13/08/2019 17:53

Here we are again, another thread with people ripping the OP to shreds over and over, making accusations that they absolutely cannot verify, attacking the personality of a 14 year old child and stating that she is developmentally delayed and 'not normal'

This isn't therapy. It's the internet.

ArnoldBee · 13/08/2019 18:05

There's a few issues going on here:

  1. DD has been bullied and as a result has a weakened mental state
  2. DD is going to have to learn to deal with not being included all the time
  3. Your DH needs to communicate with you
  4. Your DH shouldn't be borrowing money off someone with dementia
  5. Dh's family shouldn't be made to keep secrets from you
  6. As a result of Dh's actions should not be making assumptions
  7. You need to sort your finances together
  8. Repay the loan quickly and never do it again
  9. Stop enabling your DD feeling like she does - you need to help her become more resilient
  10. Sort your relationship with Dh's family and accept sometimes people are busy with other people
AmateurSwami · 13/08/2019 18:51

Op it would have hurt my feelings too.

AmateurSwami · 13/08/2019 18:56

SIL's are close with each other but not any of their in laws.

Are they just the kind of people who like to feel in control of a group? I’ve known people like this, where they suddenly exclude people for no reason, some weird queen bee power play

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2019 20:30

fedup21
Thanks for the quote. 👍 I remember now. It’s a loooong summer holiday here.....

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2019 20:30

May even name change to fedup22 Wink

dillusionaldog · 10/09/2019 14:41

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pamelat · 25/05/2021 19:29

Definitely asked. Maybe he has done or said something to upset them but they shouldn't take it out on a child.

I would be very honest and say that she was upset having seen the photos.

TillyTopper · 25/05/2021 19:51

Personally I'd say nothing, but I'd make sure I took my own DCs in future on my own. I don't think there is anything to be gained by asking but I would distance myself and do my own thing.

moose62 · 25/05/2021 20:12

Zombie thread.

NewlyGranny · 25/05/2021 20:18

DH has been watching his DD eat her heart out over being excluded, worrying that the family has rejected her and agonising over what she has done to be judged unworthy. He has been watching his DW break her heart over DD's pain and blame herself for doing something unspecified.

And all the time he knew why but was too cowardly to say. That is rubbish parenting and husbanding.

babbaloushka · 25/05/2021 20:47

That's poor behaviour from your DH. I suspect he turned down the trip or they are not happy with him borrowing from their mum, hence the distance.

babbaloushka · 25/05/2021 20:48

@moose62

Zombie thread.
Oh ffs I always forget to check the dates.
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