..to ask all Leave supporters ( and anyone else) to write to their MP and say you will accept an NI only backstop so that we can leave the EU in an orderly way on 31 October 2019?

[bellinisurge]

Just that. We could leave on that basis . The EU is up for it. Are you?

Indeed - it is massive implication when it comes to separating NI from the rest of the UK AND it's also massive implications when it comes to separating NI from Ireland when it comes to regulations, borders etc

Well the UK government should have thought of that before it decided to call the referendum. As should MPs before voting through the referendum act and then the Article 50 notification and then putting pressure on Teresa May to resign.

And as I said before NI is already different. It has its own legal system anyway. As does Scotland. Even Wales to a lesser degree. The Union survives and a more federal structure to the UK would work.

And also as I said before, we could say in the SM and CU as a whole and life would go on largely as before without all this no deal nonsense and an unforgiveable waste of money and effort that could be used on dealing with the issues that led to the Brexit vote in the first place.

Theresa

On the whole most Brits are pretty resilient and we will be fine

So that's the plan......great.

Tbe deal@newstart1337 was an all UK backstop not an NI only backstop. It was a response to TM's red line. Varadkar has said "drop your red lines and we can talk". It's that simple. NI only backstop.
Are you seriously telling me that we wouldn't get a Parliamentary majority for that? Most people don't give a shit about NI - as evidenced by some of the daily ignorant nonsense on here. Most Tories would sacrifice the Union for Brexit according to latest polls.

On the whole most Brits are pretty resilient and we will be fine

Really? Where’s the evidence of that? No offence to the decent people of the uk, but saying Brits are resilient doesn’t actually make it so. I suppose you’ll be reminiscing about the good old blitz spirit next.

I wonder if that's the resilience shown on here a couple of weeks ago when people were whinging about supermarkets running out of iced lollies in tbe heat wave. That kind of resilience, you mean ?

Varadkar has said "drop your red lines and we can talk"

I guess that is exactly what the UK is saying, so stalemate. Both sides need to agree a deal you cant just have one side force it on the other.

Are you seriously telling me that we wouldn't get a Parliamentary majority for that? I dont remember many MPs saying they would accept the backstop if it was just N.I. certainly not Corbyn. The WA is dead no one is going to bring it back.

@newstart1337 , Corbyn can fuck off. He no more commands the loyalty of his MPs than I do.
We have a Deal. It's just that ERG twats didn't want it. The NI only backstop which has been agreed by the EU has never been tested in Parliament.

The NI only backstop which has been agreed by the EU has never been tested in Parliament
You are right but its to late now, the WA is toxic, Labour MPs wouldn't even vote for it to stop no deal. So if we do have a no deal even remain MPs are responsible for it.

Do you think a 'tweak' to the WA would get support from LibDem, SNP or green remainers? Certainly not the ERG so it would all come down to Labour MPs ignoring Corbyns whip and voting for it en masse. Do you really think that is possible?

How many days of parliament do they have to sort this shit out before B day?

@bellinisurge do you have a link to the NI only backstop being agreed by the rest of the EU please? I think I've only heard about this from you and like to read stuff myself as it's the only way I have any hope of retaining the info! Or is it buried in the WA?

Bercows, I suggest you look at a few articles from the excellent Tony Connolly, who is a really well informed Irish journalist (RTÉ). It is commonly accepted in the EU that the NI backstop is the preferred option and in fact the UK wide backstop was a huge concession given to May by the EU to help her get over her self inflicted DUP issue.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1019/1005373-backstop-tony-connelly/

I'd also really recommend looking at the Irish Times if you want a non UK perspective, especially Fintan o'Toole.

@newstart1337 , I really think it is possible. The NI only backstop (call it, as I have done NI special economic zone) has not been tested in Parliament.
You can bet your arse that Johnson is considering it as one of his options because it is eminently doable, not contrary to Brexit dreams, and possibly the only thing that he could pull support on across the House.

The DUP would not agree to a NI only backstop

I don't give a shit about the DUP. It's this or an inevitable path to unification.

That's fine to not give a shit about the DUP, however, while there is a confidence and supply arrangement with them then what you asking people to do in your OP is a complete waste of time.

The last three years have clearly shown that emailing your mp/marching/signing petitions is ineffective, the real power is in the ballot box, therefore, you need to be asking people to put pressure on government for a GE (which may or may not improve the situation).

bellinisurge

Corbyn can fuck off. He no more commands the loyalty of his MPs than I do.

Strangely enough Boris appears to be in the same situation.

@BoneyBackJefferson that's why I think that if enough people tell their MPs - whatever the party- that there is a version of Brexit they will accept, then we might get progress. A GE is no guarantee of a parliamentary majority.

start to bring the people of the UK back together

That will take generations, you realise? newstart1337 Most of us on this thread will be dead and gone before that happens.

start to bring the people of the UK back together

When the Government totally ignore the concerns of nearly half the electorate, and totally ignore the concerns of the people of Northern Ireland and Scotland - a country that recently had a referendum about independence - and go for the hardest of Brexits, then there will be a long long long way to go towards bringing the whole country back together.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/images-invisible-irish-border-show-18830481

Do people realise that the border isnt just a mark on main roads. The above article shows some great photographs. A church seperated from its graveyard by the border. Will they have to fill in paperwork to "export" the coffin for burial. Theres a busi ess which is n NI but the road right outside its gate is in the Republic. So its goods have to enter the EU just by virtue of leaving its premises even if all stock is then driven immediately to the nearest NI town.

bellinisurge

Much as I admire your change in stance, the majority of those that would have responded well to your request (moderate brexiteers) have in the main be chased away from these threads.

Even trying for a GE would be pointless as far too many people just vote for the parties that they have always voted for.

And the other option of another referendum has been taken off the table by both sides.

@BoneyBackJefferson , that's why I put this in AIBU.

Anyone who believes everything will be 'done and dusted' post 31/10/19.

You're wrong and dangerously deluded.

If we crash out, the utter chaos of this will be felt for generations.

Thanks @usuallydormant that was an interesting and long read.

Possibly a stupid question and I apologise in advance but how did the border work before there was a hard border? And how were ALL the crossings managed before when there was a hard border. I know there were patrols on many and concrete blocks put across some but were all 300+ "controlled" as I don't understand how that worked for example when a church was one one side and its graveyard on the other?