..to ask all Leave supporters ( and anyone else) to write to their MP and say you will accept an NI only backstop so that we can leave the EU in an orderly way on 31 October 2019?

[bellinisurge]

Just that. We could leave on that basis . The EU is up for it. Are you?

@bellinisurge - NI only backstop will cause problems with DUP which will cause problems with NI whether you like it or not.
Whole UK backstop is better as I think NI has had it’s share of violence. It’s a small consequence of UKs legacy in interfering with other countries (not current population’s fault but I guess people have to deal with history).

@Namenic , if a threat of DUP unhappiness verging on violence is going to stop a common sense solution then we are all fucked. NI only backstop keeps the DUP in power. No Deal makes (re)unification more likely. Which is worse for DUP?

@Namenic , if a threat of DUP unhappiness verging on violence is going to stop a common sense solution then we are all fucked. NI only backstop keeps the DUP in power. No Deal makes (re)unification more likely. Which is worse for DUP?

The DUP do not speak for all of NI.
Other NI parties actually like it.

we need to leave the EU in October and start to bring the people of the UK back together

If we leave with no deal I struggle to see what will ever “bring us back together”.

If we leave with no deal I struggle to see what will ever “bring us back together

This. If we do leave without a deal, then it will be interesting to see the parties attitudes towards any negotiations with the EU post Leaving. Because there is no reason why a new Government can't negotiate with the EU afterwards and get a suitable deal and customs arrangement.

Are you mad? The backstop would mean we never make a clean break from the EU. They will always try to have control and Northern Ireland foes not want separate terms to the rest of the UK. Personally I say we just leave and say we are not going to create a hard border and stick to that so if the EU truly don't want one neither will they. If they build one they will be shown as the lying sh**s they are.

TriciaH87 you don’t get to speak for everyone in NI, especially since the majority voted to stay. The majority also supported the peace agreement, which includes NO HARD BORDER.

Personally I say we just leave and say we are not going to create a hard border and stick to that so if the EU truly don't want one neither will they. If they build one they will be shown as the lying shs they are.

You can’t do that under WTO rules.

So what are you going to do, not trade with anyone?

If we leave with no Deal you can kiss goodbye to bringing people like me on board

Also I thought brexiteers want control over their borders and immigration?

How are you going to do that if your only land border with the EU is wide open?

Where in the GFA does it say anything specific about border commitments? There is no explicit commitment to never harden the border, and there is nothing about customs posts or regulatory controls.

The GFA is not dependant on both countries being in the EU.

Ireland, the UK and the EU have all promised not to erect a hard border if their is no deal.

There is nothing in the WTO rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit.

So maybe someone can actually post some facts about why leaving the EU guarantees a hard military style border and an end to the GFA?

Because all I can see is assertions that we have to rip up the GFA and send in the army to a hard border because ... 'we don't like Brexit'.

Where in the GFA does it say anything specific about border commitments? There is no explicit commitment to never harden the border

No, but how can you reassure a NI Catholic that they’ve the legal right to identify as Irish, yet at the same time require document checks to get across a whacking hard border to set foot in the country?

How does that stack up?

How can you control your economic area with an open border? How can you maintain regulatory controls without a border?

There is nothing in the WTO rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit.

De facto there is. You have to treat all countries the same under WTO rules. Allow free trade/open border with Ireland you have to do that for everyone.

Go do some more reading.

To all those asking "how do you prevent a hard border?", it really is very simple. You don't build one.

Checking up on cross-border trade is no different to how VAT is declared. Trusted trader schemes, exemptions for local traffic (milk for example), ANPR cameras (already there) to keep an eye on any regular movements of lorries not registered and spot checks to keep a lid on smuggling.

The whole point of leaving the EU is to regain the ability to trade freely; free trade having been the British way since the abolition of the Corn Laws. Leaving the protectionist racket which is the Customs Union is therefore essential.

Ferrcrissakes

Checking up on cross-border trade is no different to how VAT is declared

How do you control everyday crossings such as tourists travelling between Northern Ireland and the ROI? How do you declare goods? Red and Green channels - anything to declare? Or are you proposing that we treat the Republic of Ireland and EU travellers different to people from other countries who arrive from the USA etc?

we need to leave the EU in October and start to bring the people of the UK back together

That won't happen. Not after throwing Northern Ireland under a bus and effectively tearing up the GFA. The Scottish are already angry and no deal will give them even more reason to seek a second referendum for independence and eventually a return to the EU.

At the moment the so called United Kingdom is hanging together by a thread, and if BJ continues on his destructive No Deal path, I can't see it holding out for much longer.

Ergo BJ will have the dubious honour of being the last PM of the United Kingdom, having finished off what David Cameron started - the disuniting of the Kingdom.

So much for being Minister for the Union. How does such a twat get to be in such high office?

The odious DUP have been handsomely rewarded for propping up this Tory Government and the Brexit fiasco. Tories know they can't afford to do anything to offend them. It's offensive to all right minded people. Arlene Foster ships her hate filled agenda shamelessly, even thinking it appropriate to lead an Orange march in Scotland. Scotland doesn't want or need this detestable export.
There is nothing honest or honourable about how the Tories are acting or about this Brexit process.
If the Tories cared about the welfare of the decent people of NI they would not be allied to a sectarian, bigoted, hate filled DUP still fighting a 17th battle no sane person gives a stuff about.

we need to leave the EU in October and start to bring the people of the UK back together

Not possible. Scotland has a Tory Government they didn't vote for (again) and are being dragged out of Europe against their will. Why is the name of sanity would anybody in Scotland continue to want to be dragged through the mire by Bozo Johnson and his crew?

we need to leave the EU in October and start to bring the people of the UK back together

That’s never going to happen. If there is a return to a hard British border on the island of Ireland, I’ll personally blame each and every brexiteer for the first person to die in a return of the troubles.

If we no Deal, you can frankly fuck off with your "bringing people together ". If we have to Brexit, a NI only backstop and an orderly Brexit and maybe we could try. We not including Scotland because I think, after all this , it is entitled to have another Indyref on the basis that it was promised.that's up to Scotland.

Several replies there proving my point. I dont know, I dont like it ... therefore if I scare enough people with a 'whacking' hard border threat, which I have no proof would actually happen and despite everyone promising not to build one then maybe, just maybe, I can stop Brexit.

After we leave, the UK, EU & Ireland will actually be forced to work together to create an actual soft/invisible border. Something they have not tried to do yet because of entrenched political red lines. Maybe it will be the first one in the world, maybe it will take a few years to get sorted, but it is not rocket science.

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