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To wonder why the disappearance of Nora Quoirin....

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LEELULUMPKIN · 07/08/2019 12:13

Is not getting far more media coverage?

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EmeraldShamrock · 16/08/2019 19:46

On one hand it’s such a relief there was no evidence of any foul play but then on the other hand it’s so sad to think of her wandering around for a week, lost, scared, confused, hungry and thirsty etc and possibly in pain
I know. I desperately hoped she wasn't abused or assaulted, now it is clear she wandered off, thinking of her alone in the jungle waiting for the nightmare to end, is just as painful, tragic.

mrsglowglow · 16/08/2019 20:07

The poor girl, may she rest in peace. Such devastating heartache for her family.

I don't understand how she wandered off. Are they saying she went out of the window of her bedroom or was it a doorway? I find it hard to see how she would have climbed out of a window.

Celaeno · 16/08/2019 20:27

Not really if you look at pictures of the windows, it was a step through type one. Plus being in an unfamiliar place would mean you wouldn’t have the normal sense of where windows and doors are in the room. I can easily see how one could step through that type of window, and being jetlagged and disoriented might even think it was just an entry into another room

escapade1234 · 16/08/2019 20:57

Her disappearance and death moved me much more than the McCann child

Sorry, but that’s a really awful thing to say, even if it’s what you think. Don’t compare tragedies in this way. Poor Madeleine, whatever happened to her, clearly suffered enormously and has left utter grief and devastation behind. I think about her every single time I’m in a hotel or holiday home with my children.

Bluntness100 · 16/08/2019 21:12

It says that humans can go eight weeks without food before they die

Yes they can, but couple in no water and high temp and then a week or so is th norm. She wasn't sitting in her front room.

mrsglowglow · 16/08/2019 21:22

Thank you @Celaeno that does seem more likely if it was a walk through type. So tragic.

Supersimpkin · 16/08/2019 21:25

It's inevitable that a tragedy touches people in different ways - and that different tragedies affect people differently.

I can't see how anyone on this thread expressing natural grief is being competitive. No single family has a monopoly on other people's reactions.

angell84 · 16/08/2019 21:39

@Bluntness100 she was beside a lake. She did have water.

Butterymuffin · 16/08/2019 22:03

Perhaps she had only just reached the lake / waterfall and by then it was too late and she was too disorientated to recover. So sorry Nora. Prayers and thoughts for her family and friends Flowers

cauliflowersqueeze · 16/08/2019 22:21

I spent a couple of weeks in a Malaysian jungle (not that one) and I can tell you that even as an adult in daylight with friends you could get lost in about 6 steps. It’s incredibly dense.

Dreadful, dreadful ending for that poor girl.

jennymanara · 16/08/2019 23:36

Yes exactly. But an adult realising they were lost would hopefully stop where they are and shout for help. Safest way to react. A child though is more likely to wander.
To those saying you can last longer than a week without food - yes but she died of a burst and bleeding ulcer, the ulcer was caused by lack of food and stress. So she died from a complication of hunger and extreme stress.

TootingLate · 17/08/2019 00:12

Her disappearance and death moved me much more than the McCann child Things resonate at a particular time that is relevant I think. After Madeline Mccann, in hindsight, I overly checked windows and doors on holiday as one my children was the same age.

Bluntness100 · 17/08/2019 07:09

The issue with dehydration and starvation is you loose your sense of thirst. You no longer sense it, uou don't feel thirsty. You become dizzy and disorientated. Added in her additional needs it's likely she didn't know to drink water, not at the end.

JustDanceAddict · 17/08/2019 07:41

It’s just tragic, really. I also thought at first it had to be abduction, but walking through a step through window makes sense as she may have been excited/looking for her mum etc. A few steps later and you’re lost and disoriented.

peppersneezes000 · 17/08/2019 08:59

I believe the autopsy reports but I can't understand how she walked through the dense jungle & over sharp rocks & overgrown terrain barefoot & had no bad cuts on her feet. Apparently she only had a couple of little scrapes on her arms & legs... Surely her feet would be destroyed especially as she had been lost in their for a week...

Celaeno · 17/08/2019 09:02

Nora’s family have released a statement asking other relatives to stop speculating to the media about the case, which I guess refers to the grandfather who was suggesting criminal involvement. It’s
distressing enough for them to come to terms with what’s happened without people disbelieving it

QueenofmyPrinces · 17/08/2019 09:08

can't understand how she walked through the dense jungle & over sharp rocks & overgrown terrain barefoot & had no bad cuts on her feet. Apparently she only had a couple of little scrapes on her arms & legs... Surely her feet would be destroyed especially as she had been lost in their for a week...

I read an article yesterday that was detailing how a man who had been on the search party had said pretty much exactly the same thing.

He said that during the search the terrain was awful, big gradients, rocks, sharp grounds etc and that within a day of him walking through the jungle his shoes were absolutely ruined. He said it was incomprehensible to believe that Nora had gotten to that waterfall with bare feet.

Celaeno · 17/08/2019 09:16

I’m sure the autopsy would involve close examination of the soles of the feet, which would indicate what sort of terrain had been covered. There wouldn’t necessarily be marks anywhere else.

Not so sure about sharp stones either .. the ground would be mainly vegetation, leaves etc. Gradients, for sure, but of course she could have been moving very slowly, covering a very short distance over the course of a day, totally different from someone in a search party who would be moving much faster and deliberately scouring through thick undergrowth rather than skirting around obstacles.
I do think we should trust that those investigating will look at every possible angle, but I don’t see anything so far that strikes me as implausible

diddl · 17/08/2019 09:30

There's an article in the Mail stating that a member of the search team claims that she couldn't have got to where she was found by herself.

Bluntness100 · 17/08/2019 09:38

Yes the family have hit out at the grandfather and others speculating as unhelpful and for people to accept that the speculating views being put forward don't represent theirs.

MyOtherProfile · 17/08/2019 09:46

There's an article in the Mail stating that a member of the search team claims that she couldn't have got to where she was found by herself.
Firstly, that's the Mail so totally unreliable.
Secondly, some random member of the search team can't necessarily speak with authority. Was the search team made up exclusively of forensic experts? Was he just trying to sell a story?
Thirdly, that's the Mail so totally unreliable.

HennyPennyHorror · 17/08/2019 09:48

I recall the Mail reporting she was found in an "inaccessible area" which made me think she'd fallen. :(

Celaeno · 17/08/2019 09:48

I’m sure the conclusions of the medics and police carrying out/witnessing the autopsy are far more reliable than a volunteer from a search party who claims it’s impossible she walked there. The autopsy ruled out foul play pretty quickly, which indicates there is no evidence that she was taken there by someone else

Dungeondragon15 · 17/08/2019 09:48

I was wondering how she could have walked over the terrain too. I don't know if the photos in the press truly represent the terrian she covered, but as a disabled person there isn't a chance I could have walked there however slowly without falling and probably getting quite badly injured.

HennyPennyHorror · 17/08/2019 09:49

Angel beside a lake yes....but disabled and may not have had the knowledge that she could drink it.