To wonder why the disappearance of Nora Quoirin....

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Is not getting far more media coverage?

I suspect the media are putting their own spin on the grandfather and the lawyer’s views. The lawyer’s role presumably is to ensure as many details as possible are confirmed through further investigation.
The grandfather may have just made some comment to the press that the whole situation is awful and he can hardly believe the child would have wandered off, and next thing that gets spun into ‘is there a cover up?’

Don’t underestimate what the worst of the press will do. Wanting as much information as possible is not the same as disbelieving what is already known

I was looking at a Reddit thread and someone said to look on Google maps and see the density of the jungle. You search for 'the Dusun' and can take yourself into the jungle. There is so much cover and as someone said, a radius of two miles from the accommodation is 12 square miles to search.

Nora was a much loved and protected vulnerable child. How can the family be expected to understand how she left the place they were staying and wandered off on her own. Her plight moved me to tears, the thought of her on her own in the jungle. My heart goes out to this family as they try to come to terms with their loss and grieve for their loved child

There were british and French present during the autopsy snd the sort of senior level detective that would be sent to this would be hugely experienced in attending autopsies. You don't need medical training to know if something is being done right in this context snd with your own eyes you can see if the body is uninjured.

Thr body had no external injuries other than some minor scratches to the bottom of her legs.

I don't know why people can't just accept what is the least horrible outcome snd go looking for it to be something much worse and speculate about that. This was a child that died.

Just to give an example: from everything that’s been broadcast, Nora’s parents are loving, protective people who seem to be extremely dignified in the midst of their grief.
Notice how the Sun runs headlines saying the parents ‘DEMAND’ answers. Very aggressive language, clearly putting a spin on it to suggest the parents aren’t satisfied with the process so far.
Of course, the reality is that the parents are still waiting for some answers, such as test results from the post mortem. There may also be further developments eg recovery of clothing which might give further clues as to why she undressed (eg clothes torn or soiled.)
It’s disgusting the way the gutter press turn the perfectly legitimate and understandable need of the family to know as much as possible about what happened into some kind of ‘dark’ suggestions of conspiracy.

Absolutely tragic outcome. The poor family.

My DH watches many of the survival shows on TV. Now I know that it is all for TV, but the terrains are often very unforgiving and they often talk how disoriented you can become through dehydration and how quickly.

A week is such a long time to be lost and alone. I can't bear the thought of her out there for so long.

Has no one ever been out in the morning from dark to sunrise? It is very damp and would be worse in jungle. I suspect her nightdress got soaked with damp and dew. A wet nightdress would be very uncomfortable to wear.

It also appears that the family have travelled extensively and that their children were very accustomed to venturing to new places. It’s horrid to imply that it was a dubious decision to visit this resort.

The whole thing is so tragic.

On one hand it’s such a relief there was no evidence of any foul play but then on the other hand it’s so sad to think of her wandering around for a week, lost, scared, confused, hungry and thirsty etc and possibly in pain. I feel so much for her poor parents as they must have that thought going around and around in their minds because as parents we want to protect our children and for them to think of Nora being alone and scared must physically hurt them. I have such sympathy for her parents.

I can understand why some may question how plausible the explanations are surrounding her disappearance and death but at the same time, sometimes tragic things do just happen.

I don’t know if her parents will every truly believe that Nora innocently wandered off seeing as they are so adamant that she wouldn’t, but if nothing is suggestive of foul play/criminal activity, then somehow they will have to try and make their peace with their turmoil.

Such a sad, sad case. Poor, poor Nora. Like I said, my heartfelt sympathies and thoughts go out to her parents

I don't think the parents have said anything other than thank you since the autopsy. And no one can set any store by the grandfather, no one knows rhe relationship or the man.

The feeling of hunger and thirst actually dissipates quite quickly from what I understand, you become dizzy, disorientated, tired etc. And Nora already had some significant additional needs. Couple this in with the heat and you can see how this scenario came about, and why the people who eventually found her said she looked like she was merely sleeping. Taking her underwear off could have been for a number of reasons, inc swimming. She will likely not have had the same reaction to nudity as other children her age. Particularly as news reports are now saying she didn't leave in her night dress, but just her under wear.

No external injuries on her body would indicate strongly that this is exactly what the police think it is , she wandered off, and kept wandering as she was lost.

It's beyond sad, and difficult for the family to accept I assume, but much better than if someone else was involved.

It’s awful, the thought of her being out there alive for a week. Her poor parents

I have a child with sn , he sometimes surprises me the things he does that I wouldn’t expect

So while going anywhere on his own is something he has never done and I never thought he would who knows if he woke up in a different environment, maybe disoriented

"People seem to just want to find someone to blame."

I agree.

It would perhaps be easier to think that she had been taken by someone rather than her leaving by herself & no one hearing it.

Hi, folks.
We've had some reports about the amount of speculating going on in this thread. We're completely up for discussions about news stories like this but speculating in detail about what has happened here is just not on. It's in poor taste and really unfair to the family. Please do try to bear that in mind so that we can keep the discussion going and not have to delete the thread.
Thank you, all.
Kim

I think a lot of people find it really hard to come to terms with the fact that awful things can happen, and no one is to blame. Sometimes awful things just happen. And of course that is scary. It is much easier psychologically to blame someone.

I was in Ireland last week it was all over the news there, even though they'd lived in London for years.

Isn’t that a common thing when dehydrated? People strip out of their clothes.

Yes extreme heat and extreme cold randomly. Hypothermia will also make you take your clothes off. The Dyatlov Pass Incident is a prime example of this.

Clicks. It’s the same reason Meghan Markles every move is scrutinised by the daily mail. It generates clicks. The media just respond to the public.

I thought the Dyatlov Pass skiiers were only partially clothed because they’d woken up and left their tents in the night whilst sleeping? Aren’t there dozens of theories as to how they met their ends?

I just looked it up online. It says that humans can go eight weeks without food before they die. Ten days is very short.

Something like this is always going to be high profile, firstly for publicity in the hopoe it raises awareness to locate whoever ASAP and also looking after vulnerable or underage children. It's not great, but sometimes we need the news for certain situations/help find out what really happened. If it was my DD I'd need answers and I wouldn't deny anything that could help anyone else.

My DD got separated from me at passport control just after Madeleine McCann went missing (similar age/hairstyle), asking who she was with, who I was and where she'd been. I didn't like it, but I totally understand why it had to be done. Same with coverage like this.

Her disappearance and death moved me much more than the McCann child

I don’t understand that way of thinking at all.