To wonder why the disappearance of Nora Quoirin....

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Is not getting far more media coverage?

Her disability will have made coping without food more difficult and she may have had medical issues that we don't know about.

@crustycrab it doesn’t really matter where you are, surely in such heat dehydration would have been a more plausible factor.

I haven’t been to a Malaysian jungle no, have you?

It’s a very sad situation, I feel for the parents I really do.
But I’m sure the investigators know what they’re doing/ are following leads.

If I was her parents I’d want a second examination done in Britain. I wouldn’t trust that this wasn’t a cover up in the interests of tourism.

If I were the parents then I'd want another autopsy done back in Europe. 10 days is a very short time for starvation and the Malaysian government will be conscious enough of potential tourism impacts.

@Jellybeansincognito
"They’d know that though- to the vomiting"

It depends on the condition the body was in. They are saying that a duodenal ulcer was present and burst (in layman's terms). They put the death between two and three days before she was found. The heat would have speeded up decomposition.

But they haven't given a detailed analysis, only the main findings.

surely in such heat dehydration would have been a more plausible factor. Than what?

If she was vomiting she'd have been quicker to run out of energy/starve, as well as being dehydrated.

A bit at the suggestions of a cover-up. Why are we so quick to assume the worst here? Is it because it happened overseas? I don't think there's usually as much conspiracy discussion when this sort of thing happens in the UK.

Well, it’s typically well known we can last days without water but weeks without food- so the assumption of dehydration would kill us before starvation would.

But yes, very complicated case.

Who is suggesting a cover up?

I suspect that because it’s 2019 and we can communicate via satellite within seconds to someone the other side of the world, some people of limited imagination just cannot get their head around how someone can become untraceable like that and starve. It’s a jungle ffs, with god knows how many ravines, rocks, dense undergrowth etc It would be distressing enough for anyone, but for a child with disabilities, who would have no idea where she was, how to try to survive and who may have become more terrified by the sounds of search parties.... it really isnt difficult to believe that this happened.

It’s absolutely tragic, and I cannot understand the prurient behaviour of those wanting to peddle conspiracy theories

Jellybeans,

If I was her parents I’d want a second examination done in Britain. I wouldn’t trust that this wasn’t a cover up in the interests of tourism.

and If I were the parents then I'd want another autopsy done back in Europe. 10 days is a very short time for starvation and the Malaysian government will be conscious enough of potential tourism impacts.

From posts just above yours.

This wasn’t a neurotypical child who might have tried to eat / drink the vegetation around her (even if they’re poisoned). She had learning disabilities and it’s very possible she may not have associated river water or leaves as something to drink and eat. This is something parents of autistic kids have to deal with quite a lot - for example my friend’s son only considers the Indian food he’s familiar with as ‘edible’ and considers everything else as you would rocks etc. He wouldn’t be able to eat a sandwich even if he were starving.

There's also a whiff of racism about posts like that. It's not like Malaysia could possibly have a decent autopsy system like us Europeans, it has to be a cover up

South Asian countries including Malaysia often have a far better autopsy and criminal investigation system than the UK / Europe / USA. They are very strict about child / female related crimes too. If the police say there was no foul play involved then there wouldn’t have been.

@weshMaGuele exactly. I described it as Xenophobic on another thread but you’re right- it’s downright racism. Because of course the any other country’s police force can’t possibly be competent or honest, while the good old British boys in blue would never get anything wrong or be involved in a cover up ....

Rubbish. It’s not racism at all. Look at Jeffrey Epstein and the suspected FBI coverup?

Trouble is people don’t have faith in authority anymore, they see conspiracies everywhere.

What happened is awful - but frankly the Malaysian report of her wandering off, becoming lost and starving to death (which actually was sepsis from a perforation of the stomach caused by a stress/hunger ulcer makes the most sense.

Criminals would've been unlikely to know a vulnerable white girl was there on her first night, an opportunistic criminal is even less likely.

Sometimes horrible things just happen and the parents were wrong.

I feel very sad for the parents. I don’t know if it is better or not that there was no foul play involved. It must be awful for them knowing she could have been found and I’m sure they’ll have so many ‘what ifs’ . It is a desperately sad situation for the family.

Bollocks escapade. Several posters have commented that they hope another post mortem and investigation is carried out back on British soil. Total racism.

I wouldn’t trust that this wasn’t a cover up in the interests of tourism

I find this type of commentary bizarre.

Did Portugal suffer a major blow to tourism after Madelaine McCann disappeared?

Has the UK ever noticed a dip in tourism attributed to an attack on tourists?

Two Irish children died in Spain last week. Is Spain closing down hotels at the inevitable prospect of tourism drying up?

There are likely few (if any) countries with a tourist industry where tourists have not died. And yet we love to travel. And we assess risk (or think we do), pack our bags and go.

What's more damaging to a country's reputation - the death of a tourist (even the murder of a tourist), or a police cover up?

I couldn't really get my head around the fact that someone had abducted her. They had basically just got off the plane. I think the parents underestimated her [sometimes you can underestimate children in just what they are able to do and that's not a criticism] Its just so sad and even sadder knowing how she was found - sleeping with her hands under her head. The person who found her didn't see anything untoward just a few cuts and bruises he reported. It is a tragic accident.

@Celaeno - perhaps you could visit any independent newspaper site, google, wikipedia or whichever other sources of information you choose. Do some searches about the endemic corruption in the judiciary under Najib Razak (or in fact look up the man himself, his trial is still ongoing). Then you can pop back and apologise for being uneducated enough to be unaware there have been many actual problems with the Malaysian judiciary for a very long time.

Well, tbh I wouldn't rest unless I had a second opinion but I do still believe the outcome. I just would want it confirmed here. However we don't know if they had any help from the UK or france during the autopsy. We are all just assuming it was Malaysian people that undertook it on their own. Whats to say that Scotland Yard didn't have their own people working on it too. According to the parents, they still believe she was abducted and that many questions remain unanswered and they are still awaiting results from toxicology.

I didn't know I could feel any sadder about Nora than I already did, but I'm upset to hear she had an ulcer and perforation as I know that would have been agonising for her.

I don't understand why sniffer dogs didn't get a scent.

Actually they are saying that police from the UK, France and Ireland were present during the autopsy. So there you go.

it's entirely plausible. I'm assuming you haven't visited the Malaysian jungle?

I was speaking to friends yesterday who spend a lot of time there,they said the same, entirely plausible.