People who have never experienced being in family court

[SavanahXx]

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

Actually auntethel that is something that I do agree with you on. See my point re. my own section papers- my mother supported my decision to not engage with conventional treatment methods (eating disorder) and my god they were gunning for her afterwards. I disappointed them all by not dying as they had all predicted.

I just dont think that your very combative style of speaking is conducive to getting your point across. The system is undeniably flawed but you do have to co-operate within it to get places, even if you do it through gritted teeth and that is just not what is coming across at all.

And still the thread continues. You sound so bitter Semperidem

@SemperIdem I left him while we was in court while he proved his innocence. Not only that, but again, the witness said herself she didn't know him, has seen us around and it wasn't him! So yeah. Don't brand me as one of "them parents"

So so rude.

@BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil I always advise people to cooperate with them. Jump through hoops for your child. If they lie. Out them. It's what I did 👏👏

Bananas I don't think you understand. Over 100 lies were told about my family. My son was placed in danger. They took everything away from him that we had fought for over the years. They even took his asthma inhalers and epipen.,saying that we made up the allergies. They hid reports so foster carers wouldn't know. They told us not to reveal his severe autism to anyone because the diagnosis was made through the court. I have that in writing. The whole thing was unbelievable and I'm still heartbroken.

auntethel, So are you saying that the solicitor the Director of IPSEA commissioned for you was conspiring with the local authority against you? That's Paranoia Central.

Anyway this thread's been a resounding success. Goodnight Savanah x

@auntethel goodnight. Im glad you find this thread helpful, despite the odd rude comments x

They didn't listen and purposely did what they wanted even though they shouldn't of.
I'd of hated to see the outcome.

I'm surprised auntethel hasn't come along to correct that to "shouldn't have" and "I'd have", SavahahXx. But maybe she only criticises the grammar of those who disagree with her.

spero has anyone advised not to listen to their solicitor? No i don't think so...

auntethel came up with that fiction about her solicitor conspiring with someone not to call the witness who would allegedly have said what a fantastic parent she was. That is in effect telling people that they can't even trust their own solicitor commissioned by an organisation that was apparently trying to help her.

@Isatis this seems like you're gunning for @auntethel
You could be abit nicer. Also some solicitors give bad advice. Mine did. But you instruct your solicitor. So you need to pick the advice which will help, and the bits you don't agree with, don't take. People normally trust their solicitor 100% I didn't. And in my case it worked out. I guess you just need to know what to take on, and what not to take on.

Someone shouldn't be criticised for putting your 100% trust into your solicitor

@auntethel What do you think I sound bitter about?

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if some of these 'Social workers ate my baby' wingnuts were actually suffering from something like Munchausens by Proxy at the time their DC were put into care.

I wouldn't use the word corruption, however there were a few things that went on in this case that really shocked me. For instance, one of the expert witnesses was a Professor of Community Paediatrics. He stated that it was long suspected that the mother abused another child. He then had to stand up in court and say that it wasn't true and that he'd purposefully LIED. Not only that, but he had colluded with another paediatrician (who he was actually banned from contacting during the proceedings) and between them they concocted the story to support SS's case. Every single part of their story turned out to be untrue and unfortunately for them, they were found out.

The interesting thing about this aspect of the case was that this Professor of Community Paediatrics and his sidekick were the same people who headed the smear campaign against Andrew Wakefield.

I don't draw any conclusions from this association, but I think it is very interesting.

A friend of mine got taken to court by her abusive ex. He is an arch manipulator and charmed the social worker so he won custody. There is s lot he assumed that he has now been proved wrong. He is shit to the child. Im very cynical tbh even if most do a great job.

I'm not gunning for auntethel, OP, I'm simply pointing out the massive inconsistencies in her account. I'm sure you find that inconvenient, but you'll need to cope with it.

You seem to have missed the point that she isn't accusing her solicitor of giving bad advice, she's accusing him or her of conspiring with social services against her.

Sorry, but dont agree with you here. I fostered for many years and its bloody difficult to remove a child without a lot of evidence.
You get a child that's suffered horrendous abuse, yes, there is proof, medical evidence, witness evidence, but the parents will plead innocence, and some almost seeing their behaviour as normal.
I have seen groups they are on, on facebook, going on about how ss stole our children, all we did was love them, it's because we are poor etc.... when I am sitting there knowing the abuse those children have gone through. They have the scars, the sexual diseases , I've had so.e who are half their normal bodyweight.
And yet the parents blame ss, the police, the schools and even the foster carers.
Parents get taxi fares paid for, to turn up at contact or court, they are offered support, counselling but most is thrown back in as faces.

GirlRaisedInTheSouth, there was no smear campaign against Andrew Wakefield. The evidence against him was overwhelming.

I'm sure the case you refer to of must have had a lot of publicity if all the problems you allege happened. If the original proceedings couldn't be reported, the disciplinary proceedings which must have followed against the perjuring Professor of Paediatrics would have been. Can you link us to the reports?

@Isatis Sorry, bad choice of words. I should have said “headed the campaign to discredit him.”

As for the Professor perjuring himself, the judge was quite angry with him, mainly for speaking to another witness, but it was never mentioned again.

Whenever my friend brought it up with her legal team, she was told it was a “dead duck.” I didn’t understand what that meant then in the context of these proceedings and I still don’t now.

the smear campaign against Andrew Wakefield

Andrew Wakefield lied, he made up research results. That’s why the GMC found him guilty of serious professional misconduct and struck him off. Please don’t imply he was the victim of anything.

@SmileEachDay I am not implying anything. I just think it’s interesting that the people leading the investigation into Andrew Wakefield should behave in such a way: fabricating evidence, colluding with witnesses and lying on oath.

Since I discovered it was them, I have been a bit sceptical about the whole thing. For what it’s worth, I personally do not believe that vaccines cause autism and my DC are vaccinated.

I just think it’s interesting that the people leading the investigation into Andrew Wakefield should behave in such a way: fabricating evidence, colluding with witnesses and lying on oath

Can you link to the records for this?

Also - and given how much shit Wakefield caused it is important to point this out - there is no suggestion that anyone other than Wakefield fabricated anything in his case.

Can you link to the records for this?

They are all sub judis. Not to mention extremely personal to my friend. And for that reason I think I should bow out now. Happy to answer any further questions by PM.

They are all sub judis

I see. So no judgement has yet been made. I would t dream of prying into an ongoing case, I’ll wait until the court records are published.

Isatis you keep getting things mixed up. Yesterday you said I was giving the impression that my case was recent /current when I've said from the start the kids were 10 and 7 and are now adults. Now you're getting me mixed up with another poster whose solicitor should have asked the Headmistress to give evidence. I'd go to bed and catch up on your sleep or something if I were you

Cailleachian Most mothers are imperfect, but separating a child from their parents unless at imminent risk is incredibly harmful for a child in the longer term and the UK does this on a regular basis often on flimsy pretexts. This