People who have never experienced being in family court

[SavanahXx]

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

Isatis I've said a number of times dc were kids then and now they're adults.

Isatis it wasn't a friend, it was me. My family.

nicknacky I think it was the time I managed to coax out of spero that currently the focus was on removal rather than support. I said that's very important for people to know and I would be repeating it on Internet. Spero said if I quoted her wrongly she would be after me.That time? Anyhow, must be quoting her correctly because she hasn't come after me! Yet...........

Isatis If everyone (except the Experts) were working together to remove ds from his special school, what's that called?

If everyone (except the Experts) were working together to remove ds from his special school, what's that called

Lack of communication from you to the solicitor that YOU commissioned. Every party within Court proceedings are entitled to an independant solicitor to work for them. Your continued claim that only reports from LA's solicitor were allowed in Court is nothing more than nonsense!

ethel I think it would be more accurate to say you have tried to twist her words and she had been very clear on this post about removal and support. I’m afraid you aren’t intelligent or experienced enough to trump Spero on her knowledge I’m afraid. As you have also shown throughout this thread.

She just can’t be bothered arguing with you when you have no intention of listening.

TwoPups We didn't commission SEN solicitor, Director of IPSEA did and as for me "claiming" anything, couldn't care less if you believe me or not. Plenty of people covered up or didn't believe about Saville. Abusers in the celebrity field, abusers in government, abusers in family court system. All comes out in the end though, doesn't it? That's why we've kept all the paperwork.

Ok nickynack

@SavanahXx hope you're feeling better 1,000 votes. 230 people agree with you. That's pretty good for this topic. When I first started years ago, I would be lucky to have 2 agreeing with me. More people are either realising or sadly been through it themselves.

TwoPupsWe didn't commission SEN solicitor, Director of IPSEA did and as for me "claiming" anything, couldn't care less if you believe me or not

That's good. I don't believe you. There's too many holes in your story. Nobody has a glowing parenting report, yet was provided with 4 separate Foster Carers - unless you placed your ds into care voluntarily, because you couldn't parent him yourself.

A psychiatrist diagnosed your ds with all his problems but took him off all meds. Meanwhile a SW told your ds FC to overdose him on his meds. What meds? You said the psych had stopped his meds.

Also you claim SS were to blame for your ds leaving school unable to write his name but claim he was in a top school previously and 18 months into the case. SW's are not responsible for your sons education.

Every party, including parents, in a Child Protection case are invited to take on a solicitor to defend their case. Yet you claim all Court correspondence was from the solicitor acting for LA. That is not possible.

As for your speel about Police intruding your home with complaints about harassment.... I'll put that in "file bin" too. I can totally accept that SS filed an harassment case against you - given the vitriol you have spewed on this thread alone. The police part...nah!

I don't need to go on...

Good Luck with your fight for "justice, after how many years? You'll need luck because everyone who knows how Child Protection works have seen through your lies, corruption and malice.

Ian Joseph or John Hemming may be your next port of call. You'll get sympathy there I have no doubt....At a cost.

So far we've had the following people to "strengthen" OP and her sidekicks cases. Bob Geldof Katie Price Ian Josephs
Katie Price didn't comment on SS, did she? Anyhow, you forgot OP's SW video and the actual posters on this thread, giving their experiences. You also forgot AIMS www.aims.org.uk/journal/item/child-protection

TwoPups you forgot Brian Gerrish goodnight, if you're leaving.

Oh and TwoPups, you spelt 'spiel' wrong

Katie Price didn't comment on SS, did she? Anyhow, you forgot OP's SW videoandthe actual posters on this thread, giving their experiences. You also forgot AIMSwww.aims.org.uk/journal/item/child-protection

Yeh... that makes all the difference 🙄 Have a great life... Best thing is to come to terms with YOUR failings and move forward with your life.

Face it you failed. Whatever happened to your ds within the care system you put him there. Own it.

Oh andTwoPups, you spelt 'spiel' wrong

Oops! So I did. Thank you for pointing that out. Whatever would we do without the spelling police? Never mind....At least I know how to parent. That's the main thing.

@TwoPupsandaHamster

Honestly, you’re wasting your time trying to reason with the op and her sock puppet.

"nicknackynuts weren't you one of the hecklers who were banned /suspended along with spero for goading me, a few years ago?"

Well, well, well. Hello auntethel. Made the mistake of reading the rest of the comments after I left. I thought your style was familiar.

Nope. I was never banned. Never suspended. I had a thread pulled iirc. And a lot of people complained.

Just what do you want to achieve here? Just what is your end goal?

The levels of misinformation and untruth being pushed by you and others is beyond even 2014 levels of shocking. I am really sorry for anyone lurking here, reading and being terrified.

If you encourage just one parent NOT to take advice from their solicitors NOT to do what they need to do to get through the horrible maze that is care proceedings, then you frankly are a wicked person.

I am not going to go through your posts line by line and debunk what you say - others have already tried. This is exactly what you lot got me sucked into five years ago. I am more sad and sorry than I can say that nothing seems to have changed. People do not seem to benefit from more information; it was naive of me to think they would.

Also I have proof from CAFCASS that SS failed. They didn't listen and purposely did what they wanted even though they shouldn't of.

Spero Good on you for replying. I wouldn’t have bothered if I were you and no one would have thought any less of you.

But then I am one of your “minions” apparently!

@SavanahXx that’s a disgusting thing to say to a fellow parent. What is wrong with you?

The fact of the matter is, SS do not get involved randomly and do not get involved to the extent that removing the child from the family home is the end goal often enough.

Because the primary goal is supporting the child staying with their parents.

Children have died because of that.

@spero has anyone advised not to listen to their solicitor? No i don't think so...

I jumped through hoops. I did everything they said. When they said jump, I said how high. I also spent most of my time catching them out on their lies. And proving they were lies while leading them to think everything was going to be plain sailing for them. They were shocked when it came to the last hearing 😂😂 the judge ruled in my favour. Seen through their lies and called them on it 👌👌 the point we are making is that they lie. And deceive and can be really malicious

That doesn't mean we are advising not to do as they say? But while you are, PROVE THEY ARE LYING IF YOU KNOW THEY ARE.

So post about your specific circumstances rather than “oh ss are so terrible”. You are clueless about what goes on and that has been shown.

@semperIdem but it's ok for her to say @auntethel failed as a parent? And that "at least she knows how to parent. I dont think so. She is clearly disgusting. The stigma around people having children removed and having a SW is grim. must automatically mean your a shit parent if your involved with them, or have had a child removed.

Wheres your comment to her saying she was out of order?

I guess there is still some part of me that believes - in the face of all evidence to the contrary over the last five years - that if I can just keep explaining things simply and clearly enough, people will be able to listen.

I guess hope is the thing that dies last.

I do not doubt that some people have a truly horrible experience in the child protection system. I do not doubt that we could and should do things differently - I have been one of many over the years trying to push for change in a variety of ways.

But I do not see lies, corruption, baby stealing and LA controlling the evidence that goes before the court. It is very rare that I have a case and I think, bloody hell why are the LA taking action here?

Usually, sadly I have a case and I think - why the bloody hell was this case closed just last month then re-opened. Why have these children been left in this situation for years.

I can't stop people believing what ever they want to believe. I ask only this. That you don't just take the word of some random stranger on the internet. That you read and talk and listen. There are lots of good sites out there that offer clear, honest information about the system.

I recommend Surviving Safeguarding and Suesspicousminds as just two.

this is no game. The stakes are so very high, for the rest of your life. Be careful who you chose to guide you through the maze.