To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

Because we’re a strong country, we have plenty allies. We don’t need Europe and I honestly think this the beginning of the end for the EU as lot of country’s will follow suit.

Because we’re a strong country, we have plenty allies.

How will that help when we leave with no deal though? How do you define ‘strong country’? Why do you want the country to experience unnecessary hardship?

For example, I spent part of my working week developing plans to support economically vulnerable people for food price rises of 20% and shortages of low priced food. Prices that may never drop because, let’s face it, how many shops drop their prices? How will the strength of our country manifest itself?

There’s very little point me explaining to you because I can see your determined like most left wing remoaners to poo poo everything I say so I’m gonna leave this convo here.

Sigh. There are never any answers. There are just strops.

I worked with a guy who came over from Belgium to do some work and he said a lot of them would love to leave and it’s growing all over Europe.
Quite possibly the stupidest reason on here for voting to leave! Btw just to even it out s bit I live in Italy and I know a lot of people who don't love the EU but would still vote to remain because they can actually make a rational decision based on facts.

*Of course, the stupidest reason overall is to want no deal to "get it over with". No deal will mean Brexit continues for decades.

Allies?

Please FFS don't mention the U.S. who are simply dying to buy us up. ( MAGA is first for the U.S.).

So who are these allies please?

Because we’re a strong country, we have plenty allies.
Which allies? Our American allies who are looking to move in on our NHS and exploit our weak position? Our European allies who we've been bad mouthing for the last few years and treating like the enemy? Who exactly?

MrPan
No, this shower are def. stupider and therefore more pliable for the Bannon types.

It is exactly the same group of people, why people cannot see this is beyond me.

They may have shuffled the deck around but all of the same faces are still there and that is on both sides.

Voted leave, and would vote leave again.

I live in the EU, (not the UK). Out of self interest I voted remain, but now I would vote leave. Democracy is at stake here. We voted, we got a result to leave, it doesn't matter what the consequences are, that's how our democracy works. We vote for a government, if our personal choice doesn't win, we cannot go back and vote again until the next term even if they destroy our economy etc while they are in government. To watch our elected MP's go against our democratic vote has sickened and worried me. They think they can over ride our democracy because 'they know better' Even if they did, that's not the point. We have a democratic Country, so far it's worked, but it is in grave danger if we let these MP's disrupt and stop the result of our vote. They and they alone have caused all this division and disruption. If they had carried out the wishes of the people all this crap would not have been happening for the last three and a half years, and we would probaly be trading with the EU and the rest of the world by now.

Omg.....did @MrPan just suggest that he was more evolved than the rest of us!? And IM the fascist!? Lol.

Will there be breeding programs in mrpans's bright new world vision? Only people who think the same was as the great one (mrpan naturally) are allowed to pass on their dna. But what to do with the pesky wrong-think people??

I thought vote leave meant cutting all deals and re-establishing our own. I find this video very compelling. It’s the Australian Newsreader one.

Id vote leave

The collapsing pound has already given me a 50% pay rise. The further it collapses the more i get paid

I mean its terrible for the uk and its people but its great for me!

You've got to laugh at Mr.Pan's patronising arrogant manner. Of course the deluded always think they know better than the rest of us when we dare to have a different opinion than them

If they had carried out the wishes of the people all this crap would not have been happening for the last three and a half years, and we would probaly be trading with the EU and the rest of the world by now.

Whatever the politicians had done, we would not have left the EU until at least two years after the referendum. And do you not think the country should have taken time to negotiate a deal? Because actually had time been taken to work out what sort of deal would be acceptable all round before triggering Article 50 withdrawal, rather than rushing into that process, we also might not be where we are now.

And to repeat, forever and ever, if the ERG had voted for the deal, we would now have left the EU and be in a transition period, moving on to negotiating trade arrangements. The very people who tell you that the politicians betrayed the country’s vote are the very people that could have voted the deal through.

Patronising

"It is exactly the same group of people, why people cannot see this is beyond me. "

Well, no, it's not. TM, for all her faults, at least understood that a no-deal brexit is a very bad idea. Boris doesn't. He was just a backbencher before he inexplicably became leader of the tories and PM on a mandate of 0.13% of the population.

We've shifted to the most pro-brexit, right wing cabinet in the history of bad cabinets. It's not a coincidence the rhetoric coming out of number 10 has shifted so significantly in the last week.

The big problem we have, of course, is that the leader of the opposition is also a useless fanny leading to a situation where, basically, we are completely and utterly fucked with no way out of it.

Doubleraspberry.....I must be thick, arn't you saying the same thing in a different way? Also that has nothing to do with my whole post about democracy.

"Democracy is at stake here. We voted, we got a result to leave, it doesn't matter what the consequences are, that's how our democracy works."

Errr, no. Democracy isn't just one vote and that's the end of it. Democracy is an ongoing process where, rather importantly, people are allowed to change their minds.

Do you know what isn't democratic? Our current government, with a leader voted for by 0.13% of the population holding a majority of 1 MP in the HOC leading us blindly towards a no-deal that their own reports say is going to damage the economy and our standing the in the world for years if not decades to come.

I'm amazed at all the people with crystal balls on here. I'd love one of those. Where did you get them Amazon ?

Boris knows it’s a calamity. He doesn’t care. Some sections of society will be fine whatever, and even profit from No Deal, and his backers and peers sit in that group. I suspect his aim is to call a GE while he has the Brexit Party votes back safely into the Tory fold, aim for a working majority, and then spend the next 5 years pursuing a hard right economic policy on the back of No Deal.

The mistrust of politicians ramped up significantly after the expenses scandal ten years’ ago, and the lack of engagement with the massive societal and economic issues in the UK has driven that further. It’s a hugely dangerous part of our political history and I agree that unfortunately there is no clear way forward, with a lack of effective opposition.

Well yes Double - we will be shortly moving into the blame-game ( Labour, Remainers, EU, Ireland, SNP, Tom and Jerry) and the folks who could have facilitated the exit will be the ones trying to point a boney finger.

And this is a mature, developed country? Lordy.

KidLorneRoll.....It would be good to set the first vote in action before you have 'an on going process of another one ' Change your mind by all means, AFTER you've implimented the result of the first one.