To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

I would still vote remain. But the people have spoken and Brexit must be delivered imo.

I am a Remainer, but at this stage, I think we just need to give the people that exit they clearly seem to want.

And the resulting mess. Apparently it "won't be that bad".

But they don't "clearly seem to want". No-one voted for the chaos that would be coming. As Mr Bannon indicated, the GBP haven't a clue about how bad things will get.
The EU may be blamed for the chaos, and the Irish govt - none of whom voted for this - but that';s what fascists do - blame someone else.

"Everybody should have their own tribe"

I actually agree with that comment, however I also believe that everyone should welcome new members to the tribe if they want to join, for whatever reason. I voted remain because of that belief. I also think that we can still have pur own tribe/identity as members of the EU.

Mrpan, are you ignoring me?

Theorigonal, yes! Tribes are how humans bond, we are not a huge nest of worker ants grimly doing what benefits the majority. We want our tribesmen to be like us, new members I think, would want to join a tribe because of its unique ways.

Like the study in Germany that found a veiled Muslim woman was more likely to be 'accepted' as German if she was as against littering as the average German (I'm massively paraphrasing here)

I voted remain and would still vote remain. Mostly for selfish reasons to be honest as our business trades with the EU and it’s still not clear what effect Brexit will have on this. However, I know many people who voted leave and, as far as I can tell, all are happy to leave with no deal.

My preference would have been to have remained and change the system from within but, much like the “human scale” education movement, I can understand the pull towards “human scale” government.

For me the most worrying thing about Brexit, even more than the economic fallout that will surely come, is the way it has divided people with each side deriding and demonising the other. Yes, there are militantly stupid people on both sides, but in the middle are just lots of normal people trying to do what they think is best.

People seem to be making their decision based upon how they feel about Europe rather than the actual consequences of leaving.

Leaving isn't the same as never having joined.

The EU are not punishing us.

Imagine the EU is a gym. The UK is a couple cancelling their joint gym membership. This means we will no longer have access to the gym. This is not a punishment, it is just what cancelling our membership entails.

There is a sort of associate membership available but it's terms aren't as good as full membership.

One spouse was adamant that they cancel their gym membership and feels retaining associate membership goes against their agreement to cancel. But they still want to access some of the gym equipment.

The other spouse argued to keep the full membership because they both use it. They feel that associated membership is a bit pointless because the best deal available is the full membership, especially as they got a special early bird discount price when they joined and get a say in how the gym is run (unlike associated members).

Meanwhile it turns out that cancelling the membership isn't straight forward. And both spouses are getting a bit cheesed off at how long the process takes.

But that process is complicated by the UK wanting to still use the gym equipment after cancelling their membership.

The gym, whilst a bit bureaucratic and frustrating isn't really punishing the UK. It just thinks that creating a new non-mebership option which still confers the benefits of membership isn't in the best interests of the rest of the members. It just isn't a reasonable request.

Ok, it's not a perfect analogy. 😂

My favourite is the submarine made of cheese.

Really sorry if that's showing up without paragraphs for you, they were there when I wrote the post 😭

Leave in 2016, still Leave.

OP, only CultBusters can help here.

voted leave and still want to leave, way over due thanks to some of the tossers in westminster.

The idea that the referendum has been ignored is patently absurd. Have people not been following the news, at all.

Turns out, to the surprise of leave voters but not at all to everyone else, that agreeing terms to leave the EU is REALLY HARD. Why did people think that the EU would just go "oh, ok then, so you want no part of the EU but you want to enjoy all the benefits of membership?" other than rank stupidity?

There was no plan to start with. Remember when the SNP wrote a 600 page white paper about what independence would mean, how it would be enacted and the timelines involved? The plan for Brexit was just a teeny tiny bit less comprehensive than that, written as it was on the back of a fag packet.

Democracy is being able to change your mind. Democracy is realising that brexit was a bad idea, is a bad idea and yet we continue to waste money (90billion+ and counting) on persuing an act of self-destruction that will leave the country poorer and with far less control of it's future. Democracy is not being driven off the cliff by a cabinet made up of a bunch of right wing idiots like Dominic Raab when their own research shows a post no-deal brexit UK will be poorer, less secure and less independent due to the fact that it will have to go around the world with a begging bowl to replace the trade relationship we currently enjoy with the uk.

Thirdthoughts, my point to add to your analogy would be something like...
We joined the gym, but were paying for gold membership whilst only having the benefits of bronze membership. We were banned from running at the park, or using the local pool to exercise.
We also had to burn all our home gym equipment, and let the neighbours use my garden.

Blaming EU is sooo stupid.

The UK govt is wishing to leave - off you go, we don't want you to go, and hope you change your mind AND we've agreed to your requests for longer to think about it.
But you're def going? Okay. Makes us sad as we didn't vote for this, but we respect your choice.

Later....
What? It's our fault?

@MrPan are you still ignoring me or do you agree that your posts about me were pure bull?

Not ignoring you Ask, I do see you for what you are and so typing contrary POVs with you is futile. Better things to do today. And every day!

Remain for all the reasons kid gave above. As for tribes, I feel a real sense of belonging to Europe and we need that alliance more than ever in these scary trumpian times. Why we would choose to go it alone now of all times is utterly beyond me.

And leave campaign lied - had it not been advisory the result would have been declared null and void, but as it is we are going to bepoorer and insecure because so many have fallen for this hard right project.

The UK has it coming and I would like to say serves us right, but I'm not really in a position to unfortunately.

I voted Remain and have been pretty horrified by the xenophobia and celebration of ignorance that has risen in the wake of the referendum.

People don't seem to realise that 'no deal' is only a temporary situation from our POV anyway - as soon as we crash out, the number one objective will be to get a sodding deal! It only harms us and leaves us in a pathetic bargaining state, begging for crumbs - all to fulfill a promise based on fantasy.

I've never been so angry and disappointed by the intelligence of the British voting public.

It;s the lack of intelligence of a lot of people AND the utter incompetence of our 'leaders', incl HM Opposition.
Johnson, Raab, Truss, Javid. Organised by Cummings and following the Bannon Nazi philosophies.

So yes Ask I am totes ignoring you.

No

So, @MrPan , you decide I am a fascist, but then refuse to elaborate on this?
I too can see you for what you are. You swan onto a thread, fling about insults, decide that those you insult are beneath your contempt and you won't explain your basis for calling me a fascist?!
Jog on pal.

The governments own figures show that all regions of the UK will be worse off under any form of Brexit.

So yeah, let's just carry blindly on. Cheers Boris.

@Chocolatehat the EU haven't made it hard to leave - haven't you been following the news?!

We triggered article 50 - if we wanted we could have left immediately. We chose the two years of negotiations first to get a deal.

The EU agreed a deal.

Our parliament couldn't agree to pass it. We asked for an extension. Tried again, couldn't pass it. We asked for an extension. Finally admitted things were f*cked and asked for a final extension.

THE UK ASKED FOR THESE EXTENSIONS. The EU don't care if we leave tomorrow, we'd still have to negotiate a deal afterwards from a weaker position once we've left - they've been more than generous in putting up with our government's overall crappiness.

But @Boswell we can use any of the many gym locations, and they have free trade agreements with the tennis club, the pool, the park, the dance studio and many other exercise locations! I'm used to having extra exotic activities like Snorkeling not included in my gym membership, but the gym is making new agreements all the time, I believe they recently got one with the Martial Arts Dojo and are trying to sort one out with the Ice Hockey club.

(I'm going to hate my own analogy as I prefer running and cycling to gym equivalents 😂)

The talk of 'tribes' is strange. What defines a tribe? Colour? Language? Gender?