Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

703 replies

TheoriginalLEM · 02/08/2019 07:31

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 14:55

@Pensionista , unlike @Janista you appear to live here. Why is an NI only backstop so unacceptable to you?

timeforakinderworld · 03/08/2019 14:55

@Pensionista
The fact is we had a free and democratic one time vote
Not all of us did though. You got a vote but thousands of British citizens abroad were not allowed to vote but they will still get their rights removed. Explain to me how that is free and democratic.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 14:57

That's rich coming from you.

ODFOD. You started ranting at me, in the same post as asking the question and told me what I'd think. Not like anyone who supports Leave to do that, nope, not at all.

I never saw those questions on NI

Convenient. Many apparently didn't know before the vote either.

It's just a cover up for arrogantly dismissing the importance of it until it affects what you want.

People will die if the GFA becomes void.

That's not a threat, or scaremongering. It's a very sad fact.

The GFA brought peace. Shredding it breaks the ceasefire.

The only people shredding it, are the ones who voted Leave and the ones implementing the Leave vote.

The very least they can do is accept responsibility for what that means in real terms for people in NI and Ireland.

Oh and England, because the bombs didn't just go off on the island of Ireland.

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 14:58

I tagged you every time I asked the question @Pensionista .

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 15:02

@Bellinisurge...I don't know what your problem is, but I don't have to answer any questions on here if I don't want to, and you badgering me to do so just won't work. On the other hand I have given my opinion and thoughts on what I consider to be important. The fact that they don't agree with yours is neither here nor there. So jog on.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:03

I don't know what your problem is, but I don't have to answer any questions on here if I don't want to

Stamps foot again.

How thoroughly predictable.

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 15:03

I have asked you @Pensionista - what is wrong with having an NI only backstop? Is that triggering for you or something?

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 15:06

@Bellinisurge....I have not once said the NI only backstop is unacceptable to me. Stop making things up and putting words into my mouth. What's acceptable to you, seeing as you seem to know most of the answers to all this

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 15:08

@theHeatinLisbon...Yep you are arn't you

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 15:08

An NI only backstop is acceptable to me. As I have said many times. It's also acceptable to the EU. We could have an orderly Brexit with the NI only backstop on 31 October 2019.
Why don't you lobby for that like I am instead of whining about how no one understands you.

Fishcakey · 03/08/2019 15:09

I would still vote Leave.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:11

Stop making things up and putting words into my mouth

If I had been asked my answer would be...I don't know, are you satisfied with that ? no probably not. Well hang on then I'll go and order a crystal ball from amazon.

Both of the highlighted posts are your words. The first is you getting pissed off for something you've literally just done to me.

But no, leavers aren't thick or hypocritical are they? Nope, not ever.

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

Brilliant.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:12

As the saying goes, you can't get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Two posters on here have just proved that beautifully.

The irony being that they won't understand that. Oh I needed that laugh today.

jasjas1973 · 03/08/2019 15:13

Janista must be tired, getting past its bedtime? would be the only reason anyone would write such nonsense

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 15:14

Timeforakinderworld.... Your right, lots of expats didn't get a vote, I didn't agree with that, but there are those that say we shouldn't have one if we don't live in the UK. I could not vote again as there is a time limit to the voting allowance. That's the way it is. I am a British citizen, my friend was a Scottish /British citizen and she couldn't vote either in the Scottish or the UK referendom. I accept that is the way it is even if I don't like it.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:17

I think people who live here (irrepective of citizenship) should be able to vote over people who don't live here.

EU citizens didn't get the chance to vote on Brexit, despite many of them living and working here. How's that fair?

MrsPworkingmummy · 03/08/2019 15:17

I would still vote to leave. Would prefer a no deal.

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2019 15:19

I would still vote remain....but I think we should leave ASAP so we can come crawling back cap in hand in as few years as possible to rejoin.

We will sacrifice pound sterling and Gibraltar, but so be it. Just because my DC will have a shit time compared to the rest of Europe, it doesn't mean my grandchildren have to also. We'll go back into the EU eventually, the sooner we leave, the sooner we can return.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 15:23

IntheHeatofLisbon.....I bow to your greater wisdom, sorry I'm to 'thick' to understand such a well educated individual. Still as I now leave you to educate others using your well and truly tried and tested methods, I will cheer myself up by having a glass of vino (cheap EU Vino) and think on about where you are and where I am. Adios

timeforakinderworld · 03/08/2019 15:23

@Pensionista Well I don't accept it. Either we are British citizens or not. As British citizens we have to abide by the outcome of a vote we had no say in. I know people who risk losing their jobs because of it. I am very worried about my own situation. I am on a waiting list for an operation but may not be eligible by the time I reach the top. British citizens in the EU are expected to put up and shut up even if this means losing basic rights to work or to a family life. This is the absolute opposite of a democratic process.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:26

Pensionista enjoy your wine, I hope it's as bitter as you are.

Where I am is just fine. Looking forward to an independent Scotland joining the EU and extricating itself from the embarrassment that the UK government has become.

I hope that post brexit pensions aren't sent outside the UK. I mean, all we hear is wittering about welfare state money being taken out of the UK economy by immigrants, so I don't see why it should be any different for ex pats. Ditto returning to abuse use the NHS.

Leave means Leave right?

InsideWork · 03/08/2019 15:28

Would vote Remain now. BJ Farage etc, lied nor do I want to rip up the UK.

timeforakinderworld · 03/08/2019 15:28

@Intheheatoslisbon I agree that EU citizens deserved a say but it is more problematic. It should also be remembered that EU citizens in the UK lose the right to live in 1 country. British citizens in the EU lose the right to live in 27 countries! Yet the government has consistently failed to meet with their representatives or give any guarantees. Our own government has treated us with contempt.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 15:38

Our own government has treated us with contempt.

Agreed, and I also agree about UK citizens losing the right to live and work in the EU.

I just think that telling hundreds of thousands of people who legally live and work here that they have no right to a say in what happens is rank hypocrisy.

Bearbehind · 03/08/2019 15:43

I’ve just waded through this thread and it’s utterly depressing to see that there is still not an ounce of substance to any Leavers reason for putting the country through this.

The fact the ECHR was brought up is evidence many still have absolutely no clue what Leaving entails.

It’s also thoroughly depressing that this divide is so ingrained now that leaving with no deal and actually seeing how bad it is, is the only option.

And even then Leavers won’t take any responsibility for the consequences, it’ll be the fault of Remainers for not believing and the EU for not letting us have our own way.