To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

It feels like certain leavers get very angry about the result of the referendum not having been enacted - which I can understand- but they can't say why it will be good or what benefits it will bring, other than some kind of irrational hatred of the EU and it being democracy, despite the fact that people were lied to during the referendum campaign, and if it had been an election this would have invalidated the result.

Yup. So effectively we're dealing with people behaving like toddlers, stamping their feet because they're not getting their own way despite not having a single positive outcome of their way being enacted.

Including the government!

Bloody hell.

And to think leavers whinge about remainers calling themselves thick, they really don’t help themselves!

That's your idea for dealing with NI @Pensionista . Bit shit, isn't it?

Remainers calling *them thick. Bloody phone

IAny organisation that makes it so hard to leave is hard to respect*

You realise the article 50 process for leaving was written into the Lisbon treaty, which the U.K. signed? 🤷🏼‍♀️

“appears the EU is willing to give a free trade deal to countries like S Korea, Israel and Mexico for example, but not to us , apparently, even though the UK already has fully regulated alignment with all their rules and regulations. As they say, with friends like this, who needs enemies!.”

Too true.

The reason the EU doesn’t want the UK to leave is that it will show the rest what a bogus sham the whole thing is in its current form.

The UK will do absolutely fine after no deal and adjustment. There is the whole world out there. Countries outside the EU resent it’s backward, protectionist ways.

So many failing economies with the cracks papered over by Germany.

Meanwhile Asia has 4.5bn people and booms. The US another giant market. The EU is declining and looks inward.

I voted leave...but on a lie. I didn't vote for a no deal Brexit and I'd vote remain if there was a people's vote.

@Pensionista I wasn't being sarcastic. It was a genuine question. I don't have any investments or savings, and am not of pensionable age so I know nothing of how these things have been affected so far or how they will be affected post-brexit. I'm always happy to learn though hence asking.

God this thread is like lefty bingo. Saying trump is like y’know, an actual hitler, brexiteers are thick racists. Lazy.

The idea that the referendum has been ignored is patently absurd. Have people not been following the news, at all.

Exactly. I cringe when leavers bleat about being “ignored” and their vote “disrespected”. They sound like petulant toddlers. That they have no idea how complex it is to unpick over 40 years of social, political and economic union and seem to think it’s like picking up your ball after a game of football at the park and go home.

Still, maybe when Boris Johnson completely fucks it up they’ll realise the “scaremongering” and “project fear” was right all along.

Trump is a white supremacist, a rape apologist, a megalomaniac with very little intelligence and an inability to tell the truth or honour commitments.

He calls people immigrants and suggests they "go home" without a trace of irony given that he's the son of immigrants.

His Twitter feed reads like a temperamental teenager raging at the world rather than the insightful documentation of his administration by the leader of the free world.

But then, Janista I rather suspect you quite like him don't you?

TheHeatofLisbon... Maybe because I havn't been asked those sort of questions. I've answered all the others to my knowledge. If I had been asked my answer would be...I don't know, are you satisfied with that ? no probably not. Well hang on then I'll go and order a crystal ball from amazon. I don't have all the answers the same as the rest of us on here, that's why I want the referendum respected and done with. The consequences are ours to be dealt with, the good, bad and the ugly. There are better people than me that could probably come up with some good ideas on NI. I sincerely hope so, because we all basically want the same thing. Peace.

@Pensionista , I came up with an idea on NI. You ignore it.
@Janista , you are in Australia. You have no intention of coming home. You are irrelevant.

I've answered all the others to my knowledge. If I had been asked my answer would be...I don't know, are you satisfied with that ? no probably not. Well hang on then I'll go and order a crystal ball from amazon

Defensive much?

You have been asked, I've asked and Bellini has asked.

I don't know is an answer.

Where you got the rest of it from I can only imagine because you launched into that without even giving me the chance to respond.

Voting Leave (and therefore undermining the GFA which is the only thing keeping the peace) is not conducive to wanting peace.

Wanting no deal certainly isn't.

So you can get arsey with me all you like, it doesn't affect me one bit, but don't pretend that ignoring NI (much as you and many others have been doing) and the impact on the GFA isn't solely down to Leave voters not being able to see beyond the end of their own nose.

@Pensionista

This idea that reconsidering Brexit is undemocratic is utter, total nonsense.

Democracy is not enacting one bad decision 3 years after the fact blindly without consideration of the consequences. That would be stupid. Democracy is not a PM and government with no mandate for a no deal, no majority in the HOC forcing us into a no-deal brexit that NOBODY around the time of the 2016 referendum - a referendum that has been shown to have been fought illegally and was not legally binding - was talking about.

Democracy is about being able to change our minds, properly consider the facts including the governments own advice saying that brexit will leave us worse off, undermine security, disrupt imports and exports and lower our standing in the world. Only utter fools persue a course of action that is known to be damaging because of a decision made years ago. You don't need a crystal ball to see all of this, just a tiny bit of knowledge about how the global economy works. Post a no deal brexit and per WTO rules everything -everything- the UK exports and imports will jump up in price. This is a fact.

Bercows...Okay fair enough.

"The UK will do absolutely fine after no deal and adjustment."

"Adjustment".

Nice word to use for "I know some people are going to be fucked by a no-deal brexit, but I don't care."

But democracy, we had a general election in 2015 which the Tories won promising a referendum on brexit. 2016 voted for brexit. General election in 2017 where people voted for parties that overwhelmingly said they'd push through the vote.

And now you want yet another election or another referendum on this issue for another chance to stop brexit?

Not happening.

You are in Australia and have no intention of returning @Janista . What has it got to do with you? When did you last pay UK taxes?

Not happening.

Ex pat stamps foot.

Oh well that's that then eh?

Both major parties have said they'd push brexit, and the Tories didn't have a majority otherwise they wouldn't have needed a confidence and supply agreement with the DUP would they?

Their majority stands at just one, even with the DUP support, and one MP is considering defecting to the Lib Dems.

If Sinn Fein took their seats, the government wouldn't be able to push anything through parliament.

Come the next GE I can see many Scottish Tory MPs losing their seats too. Ross Thomson and Douglas Ross at the top of that list!

InTheHeatofLisbon. ....Don't get arsey with me ??? That's rich coming from you. I never saw those questions on NI, and to reiterate, I don't know. I want the same as most right thinking people, peace, but I have said many times I want the democratic vote implimented even though I voted remain. Now, I'm not going to get into yet another discission/argument about the meaning of democracy. It's futile as we will never agree with those that have stated the vote wasn't democratic.

There was 40 years between the "shall we stay in" (there was never a referendum before going in - convenient) and the 2016 referendum .

Remainers have been angling for another vote for at least 2 of the 3 years since the brexit referendum to get it stopped despite the 2017 election where both major parties stated they'd follow through and people voted for them in massive numbers.

Theresa May brought back the deal and it's not been approved. Parliament specifically wanted the power to check the deal before it went though. They've just used it to try and stop brexit and any other solution in pursuance of that , hoping the political chaos puts people off the whole idea. It's despicable.

Brexit will happen and due to parliaments incompetence and game playing it's likely to be a no deal now.

If you don't know, @Pensionista , why are you ignoring people who do? Why would, "I don't know but I'm sure it'll be fiiiiiine" be acceptable?

@Janista you live in Australia and don't pay UK tax.

@Janista.....Spot on