To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

@inTheHeatofLisbon....Enjoy your wine I hope it's as bitter as you are. ..
Well well and there's me thinking you were educated, instead you resort to insults. Thanks though I will drink a toast to you and hope one day you will feel kinder to those lesser mortals, sorry bitter mortals such as myself. I'm going to reflect on how bitter and defensive I am when I'm giving future opinions on Mumsnet. But then being a bit 'thick' and not understanding 'irony' there's not much hope for me is there

Well well and there's me thinking you were educated, instead you resort to insults.

I've never claimed to be educated. Understanding that ripping up a peace treaty will lead to peace being destroyed doesn't take education, it takes willingness to think about someone other than yourself.

I will drink a toast to you and hope one day you will feel kinder to those lesser mortals, sorry bitter mortals such as myself

Very kind of you. Not a hope in hell, you and people like you have made decisions that will destroy many lives, you don't deserve kindness. The people impacted by Brexit, and most crucially, the fall of the GFA are the people I'll reserve sympathy for.

But then being a bit 'thick' and not understanding 'irony' there's not much hope for me is there

Now we finally agree on something.

Bercows This made me laugh from the link you posted:
'Cornwall is now considered to have some of the best superfast broadband links in the world.' Bollocks. I have consistently had better fast broadband down a phone line in Belgium to a 1774 house than I did in Cornwall ever. I am hoping things will have improved, but not holding my breath. Given we don't have mains gas in my village in Cornwall, I don't hold out much hope for the broadband.

Some of what was described in the article was already being done by The Princes Trust in terms of business guidance, bringing people together.

Hall for Cornwall, not much use up my end of the county. Plymouth is far closer. I know some people who are deeply underwhelmed by it.

Money in Cornwall would be better spent on public transport, and things that make a difference to everyday life. I wouldn't use Newquay airport - wrong end of the county again, and the cost of getting into the Eden project is fairly prohibitive if you are on a low income.

Bit specious about the airport not being 'fully functional'...it had to be fully functional, otherwise the RAF and the Fleet Air Arm couldn't have flown from there.

Much what you've mentioned benefits one end of the county only. The innovation centres for example are 60 miles away from my home, and if people don't feel the benefit of the money, then they aren't going to miss it when it's no longer there.

At last we do agree. You are not educated. You've already ignored the fact I voted remain. I have not mentioned anything about NI and ripping up a peace treaty.
Your last sentence is missing everything about my post. You are so intrenched it's impossible to have a balanced conversation with you. So finally troll away all you want. I'm done with you.

When it comes down to it, I have never, ever read a good argument as to why a no-deal brexit is a good idea.

So if someone would like to explain that, with, y'know evidence and stuff, go right ahead. Until that point, I'll continue to think anyone who supports a no-deal brexit is a bit dim.

You've already ignored the fact I voted remain.

You do a bloody good impression of a Leave voter, what with the ignorance and inability to understand basic facts.

You are not educated

Again I never claimed to be. Do you?

I have not mentioned anything about NI and ripping up a peace treaty.

No, you've studiously ignored it and lied about being asked about it. It's irrelevant to you apparently.

Your last sentence is missing everything about my post

It's really not. You don't have complex layers and arguements, you scratch the surface and find more surface when it comes to your insightful posts. None of which are anything other than goady and self satisfied.

I'm done with you.

Thank fuck for that.

"@Bellinisurge....I have not once said the NI only backstop is unacceptable to me"
If you are a No Dealer, @Pensionista , then it is apparently unacceptable to you. However, if it IS acceptable to you, tell your MP that it is. Tell everyone on here that it is.
Instead of the bleating.

@Chocolatehat in what way are they punishing us? Why do you think leaving an organisation within which we are legally entertained is going to be an easy process? It was always going to be a difficult negotiation. They aren't punishing us they are thinking about their own countries needs and requirements as we are about ours. They are on the opposite side of a negotiation. That's just how it works!

Do you not think the rise if the far right is exactly why we need the EU. One if the main purposes on he EU is to create unity and try to maintain peace in Europe - avoiding further wars.

So @Pensionista you voted to remain but want no deal, you've been affected by brexit so far in terms of uncertainty around financial issues and think no deal is for the best but don't think it will benefit you personally and you don't know what will happen as Amazon are yet to deliver your crystal ball-is that right? I might have missed something in your posts so correct me if I'm wrong.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-7316085/Predators-circle-UK-firms-pound-plummets-amid-fears-no-deal-Brexit.html

Is this what Leavers voted for? British firms being snapped up on the cheap.

One of the biggest defence companies in the UK - sold to the US
Merlin Entertainments ( Alton Towers etc) - sold to Denmark
Greene King (brewery) - under threat to be sold
ITV and ScottishTV - ditto
And foreign buyers are circling GlaxoSmithKline, Bovis, Persimmon, Redrow, Just Eat

Bercows your synopsis of pensionistas posts are pretty correct except he/she hasn't explicitly said that they prefer 'no deal' just that Leave needs to be "implemented" - and after 3 years it looks like the only way to get it done now is by No Deal.

I have to come in here, now I’ve stopped laughing, to point out that scaryteacher’s comment about no more priority to the right was about traffic laws and not politics. I don’t blame her as it’s horribly disconcerting to have joining cars appear from nowhere as you cruise along.

Interesting thread 😁.

Enlightening to read on both sides. On ring-fence money for poverty, nothing seems to be going to Romania or maybe it is but corruption takes it? Saw troubling report on sky news about sex slaves. One woman has pretty much self funded a charity to support young girls who have been groomed into it.

But she said they are plucked from certain parts of Romania and shipped all over the eu.

No funding, no support, no help. And of course these girls and their progeny end up on our streets and in our system (IF they are lucky and run away or are freed).

The powers that be in the eu do not care at all about any of this. They really don't.
It's a travesty. Perhaps many burocrats are paid off, because its huge huge business sex trafficking. Rather like the Rotherham girls no one cares about them.

Bear 😂😂🐻 I have just waded through and found many interesting points from both sides, this is a good thread as far as I these threads go on mn.

How come I see good points but you don't?

Are the Leavers who are desperate for no deal not repulsed by the amount of money this is costing us? We're currently looking at about £6B before we even leave.

Even if you use the (inaccurate) £350 million per week that was on the side of the bus, it's going to take a while before we break even!

( I tried to work it out but my calculator doesn't go up to billions )

Agree with scary about how EU funding is distributed within Counties/Funding Areas - I'm in the adjacent County in a largely 'forgotten' part too (except not so much now as we're cheaper and the second homers are moving in and the countryside has become the preserve of the 'relatively' wealthy).

The effects of any available EU funding has largely helped a small 'cadre' of individuals who were already in a favourable economic position. The available 'workshops' to start your own business, etc are just a replication of the same old, same old that's already available.

However, the wages paid for those who 'distribute' (or not) these hardly accessible funds are much higher than most round here so I expect they'll be a bit pissed off with Brexit.

Theresa May brought back the deal and it's not been approved. Parliament specifically wanted the power to check the deal before it went though. They've just used it to try and stop brexit and any other solution in pursuance of that , hoping the political chaos puts people off the whole idea. It's despicable

I thought you liked “democracy”?

Maybe. You’

Bloody phone is being an arse.

Maybe you’ve forgotten as you don’t live here, but the U.K. is a Parliamentary democracy, meaning elected MPs make decisions on how to run the country, not by a giant opinion poll

Plenty of leavers also blocked May’s deal btw

Thanks for some of the info on regeneration funding. Interesting.

My link about Cornwall was merely to illustrate that Cornwall had benefited from EU funding and query where funding would come from in future.

Will we got back to the British Kite Mark I wonder? I liked that symbol.

Maybe you’ve forgotten as you don’t live here, but the U.K. is a Parliamentary democracy, meaning elected MPs make decisions on how to run the country, not by a giant opinion poll

That would be the same Parliamentary democracy where all MPs (inc Lib Dem's) almost unanimously made the decision to pass it to the people to decide by way of a giant opinion poll and then again almost unanimously to trigger A50. Too late to bottle it now, just get the f**k on with it.

Phew...very relieved that 'open minds' can still be found surrounding The B Word.... I think that pensionista has had a very relevant viewpoint; very similar to that found in a BBC4 programme I watched last night about Acid House Music (highly recommend - it covered way more than just the Music).

There was a point when the lecturer asked his young, contemporary students what they thought the older 'respectable' people in the film clip would say about the New Age Travellers arrested by the police as they tried to reach Stonehenge - needless to say, what the 'older, respectable' said surprised all present.

Get on with... what.

Crashing out? That's only the start.
Negotiating new deals that EU couldn't? That is endless, so by definition takes forever.
Negotiating a new deal with EU: they need WA sorted, first.
Undoing EU law that is in UK law: that will be endless, too.
Maybe BxP will lose all support when we crash out, if crashing out is their only objective.
The only thing that crashing out can definitely sort out is undermining support for BxP.

If 'bottling it' protects jobs, the NHS, the economy etc., then we should. This isn't an arm-wrestling competition. I don't understand this attitude of 'getting on with it' regardless. Have you read the leaked 'no deal' document? If you made an offer on a house and subsequently found it had subsidence would you carry on regardless or 'bottle it'? I know what I'd do.

It’s not “bottling it” to protect the country, the economy and our people from financial meltdown. That’s the sensible thing to do.