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not to tell strangers where I'm from?

580 replies

FishCanFly · 30/07/2019 12:28

I speak with a pretty unfortunate accent and this always prompts random people to ask where i'm from. Thing is - I don't want to say. I don't mind a friendly conversation, but i don't like giving out personal info to people i don't know. AIBU?

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mumofatoddler · 31/07/2019 17:09

Of course everyone knows that not everyone is xenophonic. However, do you think I should always take the risk? If I have, say, 2 racist encounters out of 10, should I be quite happy and relaxed next time someone asks me "where are you from"? Should I brace myself? Should I smile and be friendly and wait for the blow to come and congratulate myself if the blow doesn't come? What should I do?

This...

I always was friendly and ready to explain my origins, however, Brexit brought more xenophobic comments. Having my DC with me I do not feel it is good for her wellbeing.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:12

"I understand the wariness, but the prejudiced assumptions about other people's motivations for asking, despite the cultural reasons being explained on here, are really intolerant."

Oh I see. It's my prejudices now, is it?

Do you think racists have "I'm a racist" tattooed on their foreheads?

I always assume people are nice. Nice people generally don't ask "where are you from" from the start.

I see you do not understand at all.

FishCanFly · 31/07/2019 17:13

To judge EVERYONE who asks a question
I don't JUDGE everyone, but its a question i DON'T exactly want to answer.

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:18

I have actually been to Yorkshire a few times and have had quite a nice time and not a single person asked me where I was from. Hmm Should I demand my money back from a less than authentic cultural experience? HmmHmmHmm

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:19

If you can also tell from body language who is going to make a racist comment perhaps you can write a book about it. I'd buy it.

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 17:33

*“you seem a lovely fella, what a shame you’re black, but at least you’re only here for the weekend”

ShockShockAngry

What a complete Arsehole! Round here, depending on who heard that exchange, most blokes would have absolutely flattened the guy that made that comment.

It is so frustrating to know that people where you live are friendly and welcoming, and the only thing they are intolerant of is dickheadery and intolerance. But they do ask questions, even of strangers. Because difference is not seen as a bad thing. It is seen as interesting and part of what makes a person who they are. People use it as a conversational opener to find out more about people, to see them as an individual, and to make friends with them, or at least be acquaintances on nodding terms in the street.

When a local lady felt people weren't using her cafe because she is black (it went in the local newspaper as she was upset) we all queued up through the town square to frequent her cafe so she knew it wasnt the reason. It was that the food was crap, bless her, but noone wanted to tell her.

It is so upsetting to know that people who maybe aren't from this particular culture, view us as being "nosy strangers" and take any interest shown in them due to politeness as negative and down to trying to identify their accent.

I Would like to say that noone actually gives a shit and we are just being polite. But that wouldn't be true. Where I live, people really care about each other and all are welcomed. Difference is celebrated.

Now I feel as though I have discovered that the way we are isn't good enough. People don't want their differences celebrated and seen as a positive. It will ALWAYS be seen as negative. Recognising that someone has non-local origins, is apparently a bad thing as it makes people feel they "don't belong". Well, it's news to the people in my community that you "don't belong" but if you want to exclude yourself, knock yourself out.

I don't want anyone to ever be subject to racism or xenophobia. I don't want anyone to feel their culture of origin is not welcome in the UK. That includes my own.

The irony of the level of intolerance towards other UK cultures on this thread, from many posters who have said they want to be accepted as part of UK culture, is mind blowingly hypocritical and offensive.

You may presume that someone is intent on "othering" you, but it presumes that difference is seen as a bad thing. Part of UK culture is valuing difference as a positive. So assuming (unless there is evidence) that any questions have negative connotatuins is a fundamental misunderstanding of a huge part of UK culture. From the people who are annoyed that they may not be seen as being British, this is really incongruous.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 31/07/2019 17:35

Now I feel as though I have discovered that the way we are isn't good enough

Welcome to my world.Smile

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:41

"if you want to exclude yourself, knock yourself out. "

Seriously. Is this what you think? If a person who has been bitten by a dog is wary around dogs, do you think they are purposely excluding themselves from a possibly fantastic experience petting a dog? If a person who has had many racist comments made to them is wary of being asked "where are you from", what exactly are they excluding themselves from?

Good lord.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:43

It is not UK culture to ask people where they are from. Hmm

Vivianebrookskoviak · 31/07/2019 17:44

Well where I'm from I tend to say the village I grew up in, not the nearest city as it's not the nicest of places and looked down upon by a lot of people,although it prompts people to ask 'where's that?' I just say 'Midlands' now. I don't have an accent from that area even if I do end up using local terms and words known from there.The only time anyone said I had an accent from there was a guy who got annoyed with me for saying he sounded like a southerner when he was Welsh so it was tit for tat and he was a twat. Hmm

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 31/07/2019 17:46

@JoannaCuppa

I have pink hair, sometimes blue, sometimes rainbow etc.

I have tattoos.

Most of the times I have quite a cute kid with me even if I do say so myself.

I'm covered in freckles. Grin

My clothes are mostly shit though.

There's many other things as well but you'd probably end up recognising me in the street if i kept going.

So why do people have to ask "where are you from...no,really, where are you from?" When there are so many things they could pick up on?

Here's another scenario. Work gathering to get to know eachother better bla bla bla (fuck me,I hate these things).

Lady: oh so... where are you from?(bear in mind I'd been there for a year already and it's no big secret)

Me: x country

Her: oh ... how long have you been here?

Me: 10 years this autumn

Her: do you have citizenship yet?

Me(starting to get a tad annoyed): no, it's too expensive and I haven't really been bothered about it.

Her: oh, wait... are you even legal? Hahhahaha

Me: errr yeah, we work in a school ffs!!

Her: meh, that doesn't really mean much!

Moved on to next person. I go home wanting to punch something.

Strangely enough she didn't ask any of the Brits if they're DBS checked, ir have their references been confirmed or whatever.

And you might think she's a complete arsehole Nd a twat. She actually isn't... 99% of the time she's actually nice and quite helpful and I quite like her.

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 17:50

Oh I see. It's my prejudices now, is it?

If someone asks you in a way that has a hostile or negative tone of voice, looks down their nose at you or whatever, then no - the tone of voice and body language have given it away.

If someone asks in a warm, friendly manner with a smile on their face, yes. It isn't acceptable to judge ANY group of people by the previous actions of a few.

Do you think racists have "I'm a racist" tattooed on their foreheads?

Hmm yeah, of course I do......not. Hence why if someone has a hostile tone or is unwilling, or exhibits any manner of microaggressions, then the racist "alarm" would go off in one's head.

Of course, you may get a total knob head who makes a racist comment after being perfectly nice, but if you are in an area where it is the cultural norm to ask such questions, in a warm and friendly tone, you would be unreasonable to jump to the conclusion that the person was asking for racist reasons.

I always assume people are nice. Nice people generally don't ask "where are you from" from the start

Have you met all the nice people in the country then? In my area of Yorkshire, people DO. A previous poster said she is asked all the time due to having an accent from the North East. I am asked all the time due to not having a local accent. The People are mostly lovely and DO ask that question.

I see you do not understand at all

At least I am trying to in order to avoid offending people. Shame that doesn't go two ways.

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 17:53

I have actually been to Yorkshire a few times and have had quite a nice time and not a single person asked me where I was from. hmm Should I demand my money back from a less than authentic cultural experience? hmmhmmhmm

What an absolutely disgusting comment. You have been here a few times? Why, you are a veritable expert! You do know that Yorkshire is four counties in one. Each of which has a distinct cultural identity. And that the towns within those counties have their own also distinct identities, social norms, dialects and accents?

Please do not tell me what my home is like because you have visited a few times. It belittles you.

Havaina · 31/07/2019 17:54

@JoannaCuppa eh? She didn’t say anything bad about Yorkshire Confused

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 17:56

It is not UK culture to ask people where they are from. hmm

Any you know every single culture in an indepth manner do you? Despite several posters from Yorkshire and Ireland saying that it is the cultural norms in those regions? Are you aware how ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant of difference you sound?

Not everyone in one country is the same. People are different. Regions and towns have their own differences. Are you denying people's culture and lived experiences? That is bigotry at its finest.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:56

Do you think we are all stupid and would continue a conversation when the tone and body language is hostile? Did you not read RosaWaiting's story: "The man kept up a flow of cheery questions, then walked off with the final line “you seem a lovely fella, what a shame you’re black, but at least you’re only here for the weekend”."

A flow of cheery questions. Do you get that? Her friend didn't expect a racist comment, now, did he? Or would he have started and continued the conversation? Think, imagine, understand. FFS.

mumofatoddler · 31/07/2019 17:57

Now I feel as though I have discovered that the way we are isn't good enough. People don't want their differences celebrated and seen as a positive. It will ALWAYS be seen as negative. Recognising that someone has non-local origins, is apparently a bad thing as it makes people feel they "don't belong". Well, it's news to the people in my community that you "don't belong" but if you want to exclude yourself, knock yourself out.

I am sorry you feel that way. I am happy to celebrate my difference and talk about my origin. However, I am wary of some people making negative comments about my origin and I do not want my DC to hear it. I want her to celebrate her multicultural background and not feel that she doesn't belong.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 31/07/2019 17:59

Any you know every single culture in an indepth manner do you?

No I don't. Do you? Ireland is not even UK. Yorkshire is also not the whole of UK.

OK. I will repeat my previous post:

I don't think that's what people are saying. There's small talk and there's small talk. There's chatting and exchanging information and pleasantries, and there's prying and othering. It's not the same thing. I think you just need to take it on a case by case basis. Much as everything else in life. Foreigners are not all the same. Conversations are not all the same. "Where are you from" does not always mean the same thing.

If this is intolerant then so be it.

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 18:00

@Havaina the money back for the cultural experience comment was bigoted, sarcastic and downright hostile. Where I live is not a homogenous tourist Disney to be taken the piss out of if not everyone performs in exactly the same way. The areas have their own distinct cultures, dialects and way of greeting people, for example.

Someone claiming to have more knowledge of areas they have visited than someonr who lives there, is arrogant, ignorant and pathetic.

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 18:02

Welcome to my world.smile

Great. I hoped we could aspire to more than a race to the bottom.

dreichhighlands · 31/07/2019 18:07

I lived in Yorkshire for decades in total, own a house there, dc born there. There is lots I like about it.
Being constantly asked about my accent, it is Scottish isn't something I enjoyed. It got pretty wearing pretty quickly.
I don't think it was badly meant but it was tedious and only asked to those who sounded different.

Justaboy · 31/07/2019 18:08

You do know that Yorkshire is four counties in one. Each of which has a distinct cultural identity.

Noooo! Yorkshire is Gods Chosen county that all anyone ever needs to know!.

Long may it remain so:)

probstimeforanewname · 31/07/2019 18:08

When I lived in Germany virtually every conversation with someone I didn't know featured "where you are from". Usually they knew I was British and so asked me where i was from in the Uk, or more usually, England. I didn't see that as racist, although it did occasionally get a bit tedious when it seemed to define me. I don't think I'd like it now as they'd be bound to ask about Brexit.

If the OP is from an Eastern European country people probably can't narrow the accent down. So they ask.

I agree with this.

There's small talk and there's small talk. There's chatting and exchanging information and pleasantries, and there's prying and othering. It's not the same thing. I think you just need to take it on a case by case basis. Much as everything else in life. Foreigners are not all the same. Conversations are not all the same. "Where are you from" does not always mean the same thing

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 18:11

YourSarcasmIsDripping

Then here, the first thing that would be commented on would be "Great hair" or "cute kid". When you start talking, you might get "lovely accent, where does that come from?". No-one I know would dream of asking about your legal status as it is too personal. People only comment on the absolutely obvious, as a means to get chatting.

If you had a guide dog, people would stop you to say hi and ask what the dog was called. If you had dreadlocks, you might told they look cool and asked of they are a pain in the arse to maintain.

If someone has very few non totally mainstream features, but has a cool accent, then that's what would be asked about. Whether the accent was from the UK or otherwise.

The lady who asked about your status was really intrusive. No-one is all good or all bad, but she does sound really overinvested in your legal status. That's just weird. And I can totally see why you found it "othering", because it wouldn't be asked of someone who she believed was born here, and it implies you are doing something wrong Sad

JoannaCuppa · 31/07/2019 18:13

Think, imagine, understand. FFS

To the PP who directed that comment at me. I find you rude, hostile and really unpleasant. Please don't address me again.