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House guests and rules....whats acceptable?

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Redgirl68 · 29/07/2019 17:39

My sister and family visited this weekend after 4 years- we live abroad. Her DH invited themselves and my DH had an issue from the start. I felt very much stuck in the middle for the past 4 months in the lead up to the visit as my husband and I fought as I argued it wouldn’t be that bad. I did share basic house rules with my sister before arrival - no shoes inside etc - she sneered a bit but said they would accept them.

My DH predicted exactly what would happen - constant swearing in front of kids, both of them arguing and bickering, mess everywhere, lights left on in all rooms, kids wild and only us requesting all 4 to lower voices, clam down etc. Her DH is the biggest issue – he left a planned day trip yesterday at 11.30 to go to a pub (because he had a hangover from previous day) ….and went to bed this morning at 4am - doors banging, microwave on at 2am. MY DH is furious with me for not listening to him, I’m a stressed mess after spending 3 days worrying my husband was going to lose his temper – he barely hid it on occasions- trying to run round behind them tidying up and putting up with her DH smart comments about how we live - our kids went to bed later than usual at 8.30pm but theirs go much later at same age, their kids watch anything they want online all the time ours don’t, we drum table manners they don’t and on and one. Just feels like we are living 2 completely different lives and I feel angry and sad now that they have left thinking all is fine and the only issue is we are uptight with too many rules. So I wonder on how much others adapt house rules for visitors, what’s acceptable tolerance levels and how if you have done have you broached house rules – esp. with family. (BTW we have had several other family visitors lately with no issues albeit uncles and aunts).

OP posts:
Nearly47 · 30/07/2019 20:54

YANBU. You are not uptight what you described was horrible behaviour specially with children around. Very disrespectful.

Mikki77 · 30/07/2019 21:02

I think you both sound like good parents whi have installed good table manners and basic internet rules on children - like all good parents do. Screw anyone who calls you precious!!!

WillLokireturn · 30/07/2019 21:04

Screw anyone who calls you precious!!!

Well said!

Ellyess · 30/07/2019 22:27

Redgirl68. Oh How I Feel For You!

I have trouble with the constant "perfect family" thing that seems to be thrown at us - adverts (well, what do you expect?) Christmas (sorry, swearing at this time of year) and Summer Holidays to name but a few.... All suggesting that families meet up and get along fine.
Obviously there are many people with siblings who do get on. But there are many who don't and many more who do not have the same family outlook when it comes to raising children!!.

Just because they are family it doesn't mean you have to get on with them!
I could not last more than a half day with my half sister and her children. They were utterly dangerous, out of control brats before they started school and by the time they were teenagers I was amazed they hadn't been locked up. Quite simply this was because they were set no boundaries, taught no manners in any situation, were allowed to have their own way, not say please or thank you etc. In other words, their parents didn't bother to bring them up.

I feel for your DH. I would not worry about your sister, she chose her husband and his way of life and presumably she is happy that her children get little or no discipline and just shout and do as they please. Be glad that your DH wants better for your children. Just stick by him.

I can easily understand that your other house-guests get on with you. They are civilised! They are your friends! They are people you choose to spend time with. They have standards and think of others and what is best for the children. They are like you.

I would just never invite your sister and family again. As for people like the first poster who think you are uptight - well, I dread to think what their children are like! You sound perfectly reasonable to me. For example; I would happily let my children come to your house but I would never want them to stay at your sister's. With you they would be safe and properly looked after and not be exposed to bad language or selfish ways. At your sister's their needs and what is best for them would not be a consideration and I would be worried that they might not be safe.

I think you made a good choice of husband. Don't feel torn between him and your sister. He is your family, and your children are your priority. When you lose control over your own home because ignorant and selfish people come to stay and behave badly and do things that you do not allow in your home, that is a good time to show them the door and not have them back. The swearing in front of the children alone would have been enough for me to send them packing. As for the BiL's behaviour and your "trying to run round behind them tidying up and putting up with her DH's smart comments about how we live", that shocked me! How dare he come to another person's home and make rude remarks about the way they live? That is appalling! I really would just breathe a sigh of relief that they have gone and make sure that they never stay with you again. Furthermore, should they ever say they are returning, just tell your sister you can't have her husband and children stay with you because of the way they behaved. They do things which are not good for children, like swearing, and the upset to the routine of your children and exposure to such behaviour is very bad for them. She will not like it, call you a snob, say you're saying she isn't good enough for her family etc. Just do the broken record thing; pleasant voice, repeating, "The behaviour was unacceptable, we can't have xx (BiL) and the children here behaving like that." She says "but what if we are good?" you say "Not as yet, last time the behaviour was unacceptable, we can't have your DH (BiL) and the children here behaving like that."

I did once get invaded by my SiL and BiL plus 2 of their 3DC. I was 7 months pregnant. From their arriving at 3am and expecting us to get up and make their beds etc - they were due the following afternoon - to having to sit at the table every meal and hear her children say "I don't like peas/potatoes/tomatoes/lettuce/meat ..." as soon as the food arrived, and to have the SiL who was a lot older than I, make snide remarks about everything I wore/said/did... I had a week of hell. I tremble at it still and it was many years ago. I vowed never again. They came for a free holiday. I remember I had excruciating toothache. We lived in a village and I had to take the bus for 40mins to the town for the Dentist. I was given antibiotics. I went there and back to find nothing done in the house at all, they were sitting waiting as SiL moaned about the children waiting for their lunch while I was on my "spree". I was ill with the raging tooth and pregnant. After 2 days I had to go back to the Dentist to have the tooth out. Again I had to take the bus as my husband was using the car for his brother's family. I said they could help themselves from the fridge/freezer. On the way home I had to get off the bus half way as I was sick. By the time I got home they were all up in arms against me for getting home so late "because we are starving". I said there was food in the fridge! The SiL said as if I were stupid "Yes! But it isn't cooked!" Families? I really do not rate them. The year my husband died in November leaving me with three children, this same big brother did not even send a box of biscuits to the children for Christmas. I changed my name back to my maiden name. They disgust me.

As the children grow older, my experience tells me, it will be even more difficult to cope with the behaviour of your sister's family if you do not draw the line now and let her and her husband see that you mean it about the standards you keep in your family home. Unfortunately you will need to say to your children as they get older "I know Aunty and Uncle let x and x do ... and stay up til ... but mummy and daddy want you to be healthy and learn well at school. We do not do the same things as they do because we think it would not be best for you." You will probably not be quite that direct. Your children will be so glad you have these standards when they get older. My children are practically grown up and can see how awful their cousins are, and have said they are so glad "we (in our family) aren't like them".

I think you have a lot to be proud of, actually. It's not that easy maintaining standards about the internet, table manners and bed times when others near you are just so uncaring about their children's health and safety or about whether they learn to respect the feelings of others. I'm guessing I'm older than you by the ages of our children, and I really do think it's much more difficult today than when my first child was little. I think you should be proud of yourself. This horrible experience has shown you care about your children and their future and how well you are doing!

Good luck and keep your home and family the way you know is best!

puppy23 · 30/07/2019 23:32

YANBU and I don't think your DH has reacted badly at all, I'd have struggled to cope with 3 days of that too

WillLokireturn · 30/07/2019 23:52

That was a very long comment @Ellyess but I am glad I read it. Your BIL/SIL's family don't sound nice. I'm sorry your DH died Flowers Flowers
You make good points similar to others but with a few years and awful experience down the line.

I also don't think some PP (& it is minority on here) ought be criticising OP & her DH who seem like kind and caring parents whoafe lovely plans for their family, but also knew BIL especially, and their family, wouldn't behave well despite being told if you stay here we have a few house rules (you'd only say that to people who haven't behaved well before).

A three day weekend is extremely long when you have such disrespect and disruptive behaviour. They wasn't running a hotel, it's their home.

WillLokireturn · 30/07/2019 23:52

*weren't

TheBeesKnee · 31/07/2019 00:22

Bloody hell - in most places in the world it's considered extremely rude to wear shoes inside, it's just England where people are happy to drag their shoes through the house Confused

OP, if I were your husband I would be furious and snippy too. You knew what would happen and allowed a car crash to happen.

CleansUpDragonPoo · 31/07/2019 00:29

LauraMJ Mon 29-Jul-19 18:40:32
Your husband sounds like an uptight pretentious prick.

@LauraMJ, what, for not wanting his home invaded by uncouth people

whose bad behaviour he'd already experienced? You don't sound especially tolerant yourself.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 31/07/2019 00:32

Just tell DH that you need him to turn the other cheek and be tolerant because it’s your sister and the kids are having a blast.
Lights on? So what!

justgivemewine · 31/07/2019 00:42

Ignore people who say you are precious and uptight. If expecting people to have a bit of respect for you in your own home is precious and uptight then I’m right there with you.

Quite frankly they sound obnoxious, but I do,think you need to be a bit more forceful in standing up for yourselves.

Thankfully my family/IL’s have manners and respect and there’s always a bit of give and take, but not to the extent you describe.
They certainly wouldn’t be allowed back and would know why.

TheRedBarrows · 31/07/2019 05:13

Your BIL sounds like a drunken thug, and behaved very badly. But your sister is your sister and if you live abroad you need to be able to live and let live s not IF you want to retain your family relationships.

I think your DH could have worked in partnership and sympathy with you to get through it rather than taking it out on you.

Your BIL sounds horrible, but you shouldn’t have to live in fear of your DH’s anger.

And it is exciting for kids to have their cousins to stay so
relaxing bedtime rules etc no big deal.

Teacher22 · 31/07/2019 06:23

The DS and BIL’s visit and behaviour sound dreadful and I feel very sorry for you. However, if you do not want a permanent breach then suck up the awful conduct fir the time being and never have them to stay again. Meet them for days out or one-offs away from the house.

The men in this post do not come across as Mr Darcy types. The BIL seems to drink and misbehave and the DH seems a bit of a grumpus. Still, I suppose he did foresee the awful weekend and it must have been annoying not to have been able to forestall it. Is he generally over controlling?

Pensionista · 31/07/2019 06:54

Some people on this thread have no idea about respect. OP you and your husband have every right to expect people, family, to respect your home and your rules. Standards of some people are in the gutter, ie swearing in front of your children, in my mind this is child abuse. This is your home, not theirs. In their home if they want to behave like rug rats it's up to them, but not in yours. Stick with your husband on this, at least he has got respect and standards. He is your priority in this not a bunch of badly behaved human beings who are old enough to know better, but are to ignorant and sloppy to put their children first and to teach them manners and respect for other people.

73Sunglasslover · 31/07/2019 07:58

Gosh there are an awful number of people insulting each other on this thread. It's truly horrid. We have so little information about what reallly went on and one person's mess is another person's homey. Different levels of noise bother different people. On the basis of people saying things along the lines of 'can you talk to your sister about the issues' or 'can you tolerate a bit of mess for a few days' we are being told that we and out kids are horrible and that we're the world's worst parents. What is it about this thread that has pushed away all possibility of respectful discussion?

Pensionista · 31/07/2019 08:17

What is it about this thread that has pushed away all possibility of respectful discussion?

Because some people have no respect or standards for anything or anyone.

Benjispruce · 31/07/2019 08:21

Regardless of difference people and their tolerable levels of mess and noise, it comes down to what are the expectations of the hosts when you are a guest in their house. I would prepare my DC to be on best behaviour in someone’s home because it is not their space, not their belongings that they are using. Is that not common courtesy?

Thewheelsarefallingoff · 31/07/2019 08:21

Next time you and your sister and DCs get together without the dipsomaniac and angry man. I think you would have a lovely time.

scubadive · 31/07/2019 09:09

I think for 3 days you can put up with quite a bit, it’s not 3 weeks. In future have a quiet word with your sister that you find they do not respect your lifestyle choices and their behaviour suggests they make it clear, they have the better more relaxed approach. Make it clear to her you need mutual respect before another stay.

Also agree with your DH in advance that whilst you both don’t like DS husband you are both tolerating him for the sake of your children and your sister and that you are both accepting him as her husband. Your DH should calming call out any really poor behaviour but definitely not flip.

Pensionista · 31/07/2019 09:28

I think what some people forget is, this is someones home. It's not a hotel, bar, hostel etc. One day stay or three day stay does not change that. They have probably worked hard to get it, so why is it a lot to ask that no matter who it is that stays there, to just show a little respect for someone else's rules in their own home. As others on here who have defended this behaviour because 'it's only three days' it's only three days for the guests to behave themselves like mature human beings, then they can go back to their, disgusting behaviour in'Their' own home

GrannyHaddock · 31/07/2019 09:47

What sort of appalling guests would need to be told not to swear in front of the hosts' children? Op's DH does not deserve all the criticism poured on him here. He had a clear idea of how the visit would go, it happened the way he expected and he got through it, and he is entitled to be annoyed about it.

EL8888 · 31/07/2019 10:22

It’s your house and your rules! Plus their behaviour sounds dreadful, especially the husband. Clearly no respect or manners. If they don’t like the shoes off rule then tough. When in Rome you do what the Romans do

Increasingly it appears as if people thinks staying as a house guess means they are in a posh hotel.
I have had family members of mine when visiting lolling round and expecting to be waited on hand and food. E.g. after l have got back from work complain l don’t made dinner quick enough?! Despite the fact they have been off all day

Honeysuckleandroses · 31/07/2019 17:13

Quite simply this was because they were set no boundaries, taught no manners in any situation, were allowed to have their own way, not say please or thank you etc. In other words, their parents didn't bother to bring them up.
This describes my sister's children exactly.

flumposie · 31/07/2019 17:50

Your husband isn't the problem. He knew what would happen and was right. Your Bil sounds an arse.

LakieLady · 31/07/2019 18:02

You and your husband sound very precious and uptight.

Yes, but OP's DSis and BIL sound like a bloody nightmare!

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