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House guests and rules....whats acceptable?

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Redgirl68 · 29/07/2019 17:39

My sister and family visited this weekend after 4 years- we live abroad. Her DH invited themselves and my DH had an issue from the start. I felt very much stuck in the middle for the past 4 months in the lead up to the visit as my husband and I fought as I argued it wouldn’t be that bad. I did share basic house rules with my sister before arrival - no shoes inside etc - she sneered a bit but said they would accept them.

My DH predicted exactly what would happen - constant swearing in front of kids, both of them arguing and bickering, mess everywhere, lights left on in all rooms, kids wild and only us requesting all 4 to lower voices, clam down etc. Her DH is the biggest issue – he left a planned day trip yesterday at 11.30 to go to a pub (because he had a hangover from previous day) ….and went to bed this morning at 4am - doors banging, microwave on at 2am. MY DH is furious with me for not listening to him, I’m a stressed mess after spending 3 days worrying my husband was going to lose his temper – he barely hid it on occasions- trying to run round behind them tidying up and putting up with her DH smart comments about how we live - our kids went to bed later than usual at 8.30pm but theirs go much later at same age, their kids watch anything they want online all the time ours don’t, we drum table manners they don’t and on and one. Just feels like we are living 2 completely different lives and I feel angry and sad now that they have left thinking all is fine and the only issue is we are uptight with too many rules. So I wonder on how much others adapt house rules for visitors, what’s acceptable tolerance levels and how if you have done have you broached house rules – esp. with family. (BTW we have had several other family visitors lately with no issues albeit uncles and aunts).

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WillLokireturn · 29/07/2019 20:11

YANBU. I agree with your DH and your guess that they would not be good houseguests was spot on - don't let them come again.
They can stay at a hotel next time.
BIL sounds out of control, this is your home! You have DCs! 🥺

Infact I couldn't put it better than @Idontwanttotalk did. Read his/her comment as it's a voice of reason in amongst several other (& some not so about your DH who was RIGHT!).

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/07/2019 20:13

It sounds like you are bullied by everyone. Maybe your dh should spend a little more time thinking about how he treats you.

Herbalteahippie · 29/07/2019 20:13

I would use this as an opportunity to explain to the children that (the behaviour of the adults) this is not ok in someone else’s house- children pick up on these things. I’m sorry you had a bad time x

IncrediblySadToo · 29/07/2019 20:14

What was on the list of house rules you sent her in advance?

diddl · 29/07/2019 20:14

Your husband needs to calm himself down-what's done is done & bully for him he was right.

That said, your sister & BIL both sound awful & like you, I probably would have hoped that they could behave themselves for a few days in someone else's house.

We're shoes off & when my sibling stayed, they watched us all take our shoes off, made a scoffing noise & marched straight in without even wiping their shoes.

Made me think what a disrespectful arsehole tbh!

LadyRannaldini · 29/07/2019 20:14

You and your dh sound pretty inflexible and almost hostile towards your sister and family.

I would be 'hostile' towards such slobs too, it's amazing how many people are blaming the OP. They decide what happens in their house, if I visit somewhere then I go along with whatever is the norm in that place, whether I like it or not.

WillLokireturn · 29/07/2019 20:15

OP, you were very tolerant as I would have lost my rah at a houseguest who turned up drunk and cooking at 2am and noisy until 4am. Different if you were all going and drinking together til early hours (without DC's) but you are not a hotel and BIL has treated you like a no cost shabby hotel that doesn't mind disruption in middle.of the night. And arguing and swearing infront of DCs at some else's house when they were guests and should have been on beat behaviour is outrageously rude. I hope they have left now. Please say 'No way ' next time they try to invite themselves back! "We don't live like you and don't want that kind of disruption and noise in our home"

Jamieson90 · 29/07/2019 20:22

Your husband was probably mad because he could forsee what was going to happen and felt like he wasn't supported or listened to. He's absolutely right and I'd hardly call his reaction anger issues after having to put up with such awful guests for 3 days.

Simple, next time don't let them stay.

Mythologies · 29/07/2019 20:22

What happened to you and your sister in your childhoods that you both married such violent, horrible men?

Bluntness100 · 29/07/2019 20:23

I also think you sound uptight, but more your husband than you and you're pandering to him rather than telling him to suck it up because this is your sister, her husband and their kids and you've not seen them for four years.

Nothing here is unforgivable. A little thoughtless maybe at times, but nothing more. Your husband being mad and you having to tread on eggshells to keep in placated is the issue.

Yes sometimes house guests can be annoying, they can sometimes get a bit drunk, or leave the lights on, or swear, or let their kids stay up later than yours, but the joy of spending time with them should over rice the minor inconveniences.

I wouldn't worry op. Your rules, your husband, your intolerance, and you trying to placate your husband will ensure it will be a great many years before they come back again.

I mean uou actually phoned her up to tell her the house rules in advance like no shoes in the house? Seriously? When did your life become like this? That's something you say on arrival.

What other rules did you inform her of in advance?

I strongly suspect as much as you don't like her husband and how he behaves, they can't stand yours and how he behaves.

Timeandtimeagain42 · 29/07/2019 20:23

You and your husband sound very precious and uptight.

Wtf am I reading???

Apparently this is all your fault for wanting people to behave like reasonable human beings in your own home!

They certainly have very different standards to you op and I wouldn't be letting them invite themselves to stay.

Basically, your house your rules!!

Bluntness100 · 29/07/2019 20:27

Time, I think most people can't believe what they are reading when they read your posts.

What part of her and her husband argued for months in the lead up, that it was bad, how she was trying to keep him placated, how she had to do it during the whole visit, how she was scared he would kill their relarionship for good, how she had to go so far as to tell her sister the "rules" in advance to try to keep her husband calm, . Seems reasonable behavuour from a spouse to you?

Amummyatlast · 29/07/2019 20:27

What happened to you and your sister in your childhoods that you both married such violent, horrible men?

What violence? Does getting pissed off that you have to put up with rude guest translate as violence now? Honestly, if it was a man saying his wife was angry at the behaviour of his relatives, everyone would be sticking up for wife.

VenusOfWillendorf · 29/07/2019 20:27

If your kids don't get to see their cousins very often, I think the main thing here is that the kids had a blast.

No lasting damage done, both families clearly have different lifestyles but thats OK. Its a pity your BIL didn't behave as you would like, but its also a pity your DH let it get to him so much. Next time issue an invite to your sister without your BIL, if possible. Its good for the cousins to have time ooccasionally to spend time together.

NaturalBornWoman · 29/07/2019 20:30

It is a bit odd to give out house rules before a visit. Surely if you really must mention it you'd just say as they came in we'd rather shoes off in the house? And ooh we don't use that word here? And wouldn't you let the children stay up late for a few days if their cousins were visiting? BIL sounds unpleasant but you do sound very rigid and uptight.

Bluntness100 · 29/07/2019 20:32

What happened to you and your sister in your childhoods that you both married such violent, horrible men?

This. As much as I don't agree with the violent part, both men seem like total arseholes to their partners. Even if my husband hated my family, if I invited them over after four years, he'd make it as easy as possible for me. Not make it as hard as possible. By arguing for months, for posing a huge risk he would behave so badly it would kill the relationship with my sibling, to make me spend the whole visit stressed to fuck because of his reactions

Anyone who thinks it's normal or ok needs to raise the bar.

So the question is, why did both sisters marry arseholes

Graphista · 29/07/2019 20:41

"It just makes you wonder those defending the behaviour of the BiL and DSis, WTAF is their own home life like?!" Yep! They'd have been out after first night here too!

A little extra mess, bit of relaxation on meal times and bedtimes but from the sounds of things they behaved selfishly, thoughtlessly with absolutely NO respect or consideration for OP'S family and home.

But then I think ANYBODY who invites themselves somewhere is a pretty thick skinned, selfish, cheeky fucker anyway!

As for the rest... I'd have been Fucking livid!

Your sister didn't care much about not upsetting or offending you and your family op.

I'm Nc with my sister, just one of the reasons is her letting her kids run wild! They're actually generally good kids - when she isn't around! If me or my mum were looking after them without her there, they knew how to behave and did so, but soon as she arrived it was like a klaxon for them to be as rowdy as possible! Including deliberately hurting others and breaking things.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/07/2019 20:44

Whose choice is it to live abroad?

Is your DH angry and inflexible about things generally?

We live abroad and out families can be a bit of a nightmare but we put up with it to see them.

Bluntness100 · 29/07/2019 20:45

So she was expected to come and not bring her husband? That's just odd as fuck and a sure fire way to kill the sibling relationship.

However the op should have told her her husband wasn't welcome.

And she should not be running scared of her own husband.

pamperramper · 29/07/2019 20:45

They sound annoying. But they've visited you for the first time in 4 years, and just for a weekend. And she's your closest relative. So suck it up and don't mention it.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 29/07/2019 20:49

OP aside, what sort of person actually has 'house rules' for guests anyway? Do they give them a printed sheet when they arrive?

Don't tell me, I can imagine some sort of OCD Hyacinth Bucket thing, beginning of course with SHOES OFF indoors,
And probably followed by,

Only 2 sheets of toilet paper per visit
One tea bag is plenty between two, but we would prefer that you do not help yourself to tea or coffee.

Please be aware that we have installed fart detectors in bedrooms, and emissions of more than x parts of methane per thousand will result in your being asked to leave.
Etc.

Redgirl68 · 29/07/2019 20:51

Cousins get to see each other frequently - just not in our house
Cousins love and cherish each other as DH and I love my Dsis
No childhood traumas - the opposite in fact
No violence anywhere
Very happy marriage on my part
@Bluntness100 no suggestion she was to come solo just a prediction of how he would behave which came true in technicolor. I'm curious where I'm running scared from my DH?

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ItsAllGoingToBeMagnificent · 29/07/2019 20:53

I'd sneer too if my sister messaged me with "house rules" before we stayed. You sound like 2 completely different families with different rules and expectations. If it bothers you so much just don't have them stay again, it's not like this is going to be an ongoing problem.

Redgirl68 · 29/07/2019 20:56

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER Re house rules - it was a pre vist phone chat- don't forget your slippers and can you please watch your language in front of kids.....I might add the fart detector one next time though....emissions were well high!

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Jellybeansincognito · 29/07/2019 21:03

All this over 3 days? I think your issue is your husband. Not your guests.

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