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House guests and rules....whats acceptable?

153 replies

Redgirl68 · 29/07/2019 17:39

My sister and family visited this weekend after 4 years- we live abroad. Her DH invited themselves and my DH had an issue from the start. I felt very much stuck in the middle for the past 4 months in the lead up to the visit as my husband and I fought as I argued it wouldn’t be that bad. I did share basic house rules with my sister before arrival - no shoes inside etc - she sneered a bit but said they would accept them.

My DH predicted exactly what would happen - constant swearing in front of kids, both of them arguing and bickering, mess everywhere, lights left on in all rooms, kids wild and only us requesting all 4 to lower voices, clam down etc. Her DH is the biggest issue – he left a planned day trip yesterday at 11.30 to go to a pub (because he had a hangover from previous day) ….and went to bed this morning at 4am - doors banging, microwave on at 2am. MY DH is furious with me for not listening to him, I’m a stressed mess after spending 3 days worrying my husband was going to lose his temper – he barely hid it on occasions- trying to run round behind them tidying up and putting up with her DH smart comments about how we live - our kids went to bed later than usual at 8.30pm but theirs go much later at same age, their kids watch anything they want online all the time ours don’t, we drum table manners they don’t and on and one. Just feels like we are living 2 completely different lives and I feel angry and sad now that they have left thinking all is fine and the only issue is we are uptight with too many rules. So I wonder on how much others adapt house rules for visitors, what’s acceptable tolerance levels and how if you have done have you broached house rules – esp. with family. (BTW we have had several other family visitors lately with no issues albeit uncles and aunts).

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Bluntness100 · 30/07/2019 10:29

Sigh, one of those when the story changes when the op doesn't like the responses. So for example we go from the husband invited himself and it caused bad arguments with my husband to there was no expectation. The husband wouldn't come. Or how I was so stressed and worried my husband would say something and cause a massive problem, he is furious with me and I was scared he would lose his temper . To i am not running scared of my husband, or how I phone her with rhe house rules in advance through to I just asked her to bring her slippers.

Really what's rhe point.

jillybeanclevertips · 30/07/2019 17:41

I feel it is OK to explain expectations b4 visitors arrive to your home. IN fact I think its a must do. I'm a Granny and get really tired of explaining to my Grand kids how to behave in my home, things which I feel are just common good manners, e.g. eating with your mouth open. (What else are lips for ?)etc. Things I expect parents to address before arriving. Just the basics really, P's and Q's. Call me old fashioned but good manners is a sign of a good upbringing.

pollymere · 30/07/2019 17:41

My dh who is a pussycat would have the muscle going in his cheek OP. When we go visiting we respect rules like no shoes. Bedtime for kids would be our decision though, certainly not before 9pm ever as ours just wouldn't sleep. They sound hellish though. Just know to suggest a local hotel next time, and put up with dh smugness for a few days.

blackteasplease · 30/07/2019 17:44

You BIL sounds appalling (and to a certain extent your sister too), inconsiderate and rude.

However your DH sounds just as bad. He really put his marker down didn't he? Your family aren't welcome and you have to make sure it impacts on him no5 at all. You really shouldn't have to be so stressed about upsetting him.

Firecarrier · 30/07/2019 17:52

UK gift are you the sister Grin

jesst81 · 30/07/2019 17:54

Your husband needs to chill!

starfishmummy · 30/07/2019 17:58

3 days... all this fuss for 3 days Hmm

ladymariner · 30/07/2019 18:02

The sister and bil sound absolute arseholes. Can't believe the abuse your dh is getting on here, totally unjustified.
Why should the op have to "chill a bit"? It's her house, she has the right to expect people to treat it and her family with respect. I wouldn't be inviting them back, no way!
Op, I can totally relate to how you feel. I have a sil who allowed her kids to behave exactly as you've described, and my shitty in laws used to be take the piss out of me because we expected good manners and good behaviour from ds. Visits were horrific, they literally were allowed to run wild because she couldn't be arsed to deal with them. Suffice to say, they're now young adults and she certainly hasn't done them any favours....
ds is of course utterly fantastic

Catsinthecupboard · 30/07/2019 18:02

My dh is usually a mild man. Never raised his voice at me or our dc. Not even pets.

I have seen him tell both sides of the family and his various friends to leave if he thinks that they are obnoxious.

It's the only time i ever see him aggressive really.

My whole family liked him, so he got away with it or toned down.

Your dh should have stood up to sister's dh. You both married people who scare you with bad manners and bad temper?

Ginnymweasley · 30/07/2019 18:03

I get the no shoes but but I'm confused as to why it matters to you what time they put their children to bed? I mean it's a holiday why should the kids have to be in bed by half 8? You don't say how old they are but at any age it's up to the parents what time they want them in bed. Exta mess is just the usual when you have people staying isn't it? Your dh didn't want them coming and he made sure you knew it leaving you on edge the entire time,blowing 3 days of a bit of mess and noise into a massive thing. What other rules did you tell them? It all sounds a lot of hard work on both ends. Your sister probably stressed making sure her dh and kids remembered the rules and you making sure that you kept the peace between dh and bil. Next time wither say no or try to relax and enjoy spending time with your sister.

EllieHJ · 30/07/2019 18:03

This happened to me a couple of years ago. A really great old friend from US who has always been alone here asked if she could stop over twice on way to Europe and back again for 2-3 nights each time. We have 3 kids and a 3 bed that isn't big but my husband slept downstairs and I put the 3 kids in our main bedroom so she had two rooms for her family (two adults and two kids). It was a bloody nightmare and never ever again. My kids were still at school here and hubby working. They had jetlag from West Coast and got up at 2-3am and then made a lot of noise, my friend and husband came downstairs at 4.30am to put the coffee machine on (loud nespresso and they made doubles). My husband was grumpy, we were crowded and they decided that since it was their holiday they would just use me for childcare so they could pop into London and go for lunches on their own! If I was with them I ended up paying for everyone too and her husband would order £40 bottles of bloody wine! I was so much in shock I just went with it but I would never do that to anyone. It did put a damper on our 20+ year friendship - I'm not inviting them again!

Cosentyx · 30/07/2019 18:05

You were very nice. I'd have kicked them out, the drunk BIL first. Can't abide drunken arseholes or people who swear in front of young kids.

DeniseRoyal · 30/07/2019 18:20

I am really surprised that anyone would think the problem lies with you dh!! Your dsis and dbil sound awful and disrepectful, and possibly just wanting a cheap/free holiday. You are both completely justified in your feelings towards this pair of selfish freeloaders. I really would not be allowing them to visit again.

DeniseRoyal · 30/07/2019 18:22

@EllieHJ wtf??! How and why did put up with your 'friend' treating you like that? Absolutley awful, I would have asked then to leave the minute they asked to watch their kids while they swanned off to London Shock

vincettenoir · 30/07/2019 18:26

The behaviour you describe is annoying (the loud voices, sloping off to the pub) but none of it is all that bad in my view. Given that you don’t get to see your sister often it would be nice if your family (well your husband) could be more tolerant. But I guess if you really can’t then you might want to plan other ways to spend time together in the future.

EllieHJ · 30/07/2019 18:42

I know. Its weird though....I wouldn't say I was one to put up with tons of taking the piss but there have been times when you are in it and you just don't quite know what to do with people totally taking advantage! You are in shock a bit so you let it ride and think they are leaving soon and if I have total meltdown then it could be really uncomfortable for everyone and upset the kids who were enjoying the whole thing! It's only afterwards when you think - blimey that was too much. It's a learning curve. As I get older I have learnt to put up with less shit but that one was an eye-opener!

AcrossthePond55 · 30/07/2019 18:49

Well, looks like your DH was right about them disrepecting your hospitality whilst staying with you, wasn't he? Allow him one 'I told you so' and then consider the matter closed. And either never have them to stay again or give your DH 'permission' to absent himself.

I expect my houseguests to not necessarily adhere to our house rules 100%, but to at least be respectful of them as far as being quiet if our hours don't 'mesh' and watching their language when our DC were young. And a couple arguing in front of others is just rude and embarrassing. I visit a cousin frequently and I wake up usually an hour or two before she does. I make sure that I am very quiet, sneak to the kitchen to make my coffee & grab a muffin, then get back in bed with coffee & muffin. Then I watch streaming video with headphones until she wakes up. I wouldn't dream of banging around her kitchen whilst she's still sleeping!

StoneofDestiny · 30/07/2019 18:55

Not RTFT but according to your post your sisters husband has alcohol problems. They upset your DH, swore in front on your children, made noise in the wee small hours, sneered at your parenting, disrespected your requests about behaviour in your home and made a mess of your property.

On the basis - they should have been shown the door and not allowed through it again. (And I'd apologise to you DH and make it up to him)

yikesanotherbooboo · 30/07/2019 19:04

I would want to see and support my sister in this situation and expect my DH to want to support me. Shoes on, mess, overexcited children are all ok for a few days and not worth stressing or worrying over. I would be very concerned for my sos on this situation as Bil sounds horrible. Your Shouldn't have to walk on eggshells around your DH ; you are both in this together. No need to get stressed out over a few days but I would sympathise with you not wanting him to visit again.

StoneofDestiny · 30/07/2019 19:06

"Guests, like fish, begin to smell after three days"
Benjamin Franklin.

Never have people to stay longer - it's more than enough to do 'treats', conversation, catch ups, sight seeing etc However in the case of your sisters husband, 3 minutes would have been enough for me.

Benjispruce · 30/07/2019 19:22

YANBU , they sound awful.

Good riddance and listen to your DH next time.

manicmij · 30/07/2019 19:34

I would find your visitors very hard to tolerate. If that is how they live you should be grateful you live far away from them. When a guest you should try to fit in with hosts who usually add a bit of leeway given guests on holiday. If you feel you did this just tell them if you have a further request from them that you didn't feel they enjoyed their stay and this really stressed you and your DH.

FelicisNox · 30/07/2019 19:45

At first I thought your DH was BVU and unnecessarily hostile but clearly he knows your family well and they stress him out.

You should have listened to him and never sanctioned this visit. Your family are clearly hideous and if you want to see your sister you should have gone to see her on your own.

They've abused your hospitality and you need to apologise to your DH and promise never to have them over again.

Rachel1874 · 30/07/2019 20:31

Well the time their kids go to bed, what they watch when they watch etc isn't really any of your business. They should have been respectful of your house and belongings etc but if the complaint is their level of noise... I'm sorry but they are kids, kids are noisy. I probably would have exploded at 2am however with a "responsible" adult making that much noise isn't acceptable as a guest. But now it's over just accept you have different styles of life. Nothing you can do about it.

Sorryisntgoodenough · 30/07/2019 20:38

3 days direct interaction pushed it too far

All this stress couldn’t be handled for 3 days? Was he really that awful?

that would start a row that there was no going back from and as much as I hated the behavior I didn't want to upset my sister.

Why not? Presumably she is aware of her husbands failings? Surely your DH starting would just put awful BIL in his place? Would this necessarily mean a fallout between you and your sister?

I know you have said you are happy in your marriage but is your sister happy in hers?