To think in Boris calls an election now he will win.......

[Bobbindobbin]

I don’t want him to but what is the alternative!?

@Justanotherlurker your posts are a bit indecipherable. I'm not feigning any ignorance, just asking you to expand on your points. But anyway, not much mileage in discussing further as I don't think we understand each other.

@Bobbindobbin I meant Hippy unpicked Johnson's announcement about policing and how hollow it is in some ways, I wasn't talking about Labour's woes. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I am a Labour voter, but I am not a Corbyn worshipper. I think he should go.

LaurieFairyCake sums it up for me:

The Lib Dem's would do really well. We can sort out the woman issue with them. Brexit isn't more 'important' but it is more pressing - so I would Happily vote for the only Remain party

Nigella - I am pretty much the same - I don't agree with their stance on women, and I didn't like them going into Coalition with the Tories but it's a case of 'Needs must'.

Mind you, if they dared to go into Coalition with the Tories again with Boris Johnson at the helm I would immediately resign my membership. If a rump of the Tory party survives with people like Rory Stewart, Grieve (if he's not deselected and gets back in) then yes, I could support them. They might be Tory but they are not without principles. Which you can't say for Boris or Jo Johnson, or the other self serving people in Johnson's cabinet.

There are far greater issues to be tackled than Self-ID, and I am a rabid TERF of the highest order. (Yup, I quite happily call myself a TERF before anyone says anything. It has a ring to it.)

My primary concerns are Brexit, poverty and the barbaric treatment of the poor and the disabled. I'm quite happy to avoid going into changing rooms for the time being if it means having a government that would at least try to mitigate the general suffering of the working classes. Dudes in dresses are dangerous, but we must concentrate on preventing the unnecessary deaths of the most vulnerable.

There will be an election, but not until we’ve left the EU. I expect the Tories to win an election shortly after leaving without a deal, possibly late November or in the Spring.

Well said. I have seen the thread in Politics where people are still basing their vote intention on self id and threatening a spoiled vote. For goodness sake wake up to what is currently urgent and pressing.

I expect the Tories to win an election shortly after leaving without a deal, possibly late November or in the Spring.

Really?? There will be no election shortly after no deal! Not for a long while. We'll be so deep in the shit democracy will take a real beating. Wake up. No deal = end of the UK as we know it.
Also, incredible that you expect them to WIN.

I’d like to hope LibDems would do well if there was a GE. But I’m an eternal optimist!

Yes - a GE comes around at least every 5 years - if we voted in a remain party to deal with the Brexit issue, we will get another chance to kick them out again. Brexit must be stopped dealt with first!

Best thing is that BJ tells Farage to field candidates in the leave voting northern constituencies that won't vote labour as they are now a remain party but equally would never Vote Tory. Then do a pact with Brexit Party and therefore have a parliamentary majority.

No way will Corbyn get in. He's a turncoat.

I’m shocked at Jo Swinson’s voting record - WTH? It’s put me right off!

Boris is acting like he’s on the campaign trail already, with his announcements for better rail links up north and money for deprived towns/areas etc.

I was interested to see members of the public keenly taking selfies with Boris as well - I can’t imagine anyone asking Theresa May for a selfie!

The selfie thing is a small point but it does illustrate what different types of leaders TM and Boris are and also the public perception of Boris. Love him or hate him, his charisma is undeniable and people fall for that.

The posters saying the would vote LibDem due to austerity concerns really should check out Jo Swinson's voting record.

I may well vote Lib Dem to attempt to stop Brexit but I'll be holding my nose. Not just on self-id but on her appalling voting record and her clear disdain and lack of concern for the most vulnerable in society.

Some people do fall for Johnson. Debates like this are how we crack that and get the message out he is a constant liar. To remind everyone here 2 of his leadership campaign promises from just a month ago were “no early general election” and “crash out brexit is a million to one against”. We all rightly think there is an election coming shortly and crash out on the table. With Johnson ignore anything he says and look at delivered actions only. Eg delivered action yesterday was the new digital advisor at number 10 has previously tweeted support Of far right activist Anne Marie waters who wants to remove loads of british Muslims from the UK. Anyone know how to explain that to a british child who is Muslim. Johnson is playing us...

Corbyn for me has enabled gross anti-semitism , Brexiter and thinks what has happened to Venezuela is a good thing (FYI country collapsed from normal looking country to food and medical shortages). So
I end up with Lib Dem’s who want relain clearly, to sort the poverty we have created
And find education and housing , don’t want to trash the economy - and are sane enough that the things I don’t like I can imagine having a proper discussion and changing

How Jo Swinson voted on Welfare and Benefits

Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")
11 votes for, 1 vote against, 6 absences, between 2012–2018

Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013

Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
0 votes for, 7 votes against, between 2011–2012

Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012

Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
26 votes for, 0 votes against, 5 absences, between 2012–2015

Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
0 votes for, 8 votes against, 1 absence, between 2011–2014

Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
1 vote for, 0 votes against, in 2010

Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
2 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2011

Consistently voted for university tuition fees
3 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 absence, between 2010–2017

Remain not relain!

You can put that message out of you want, the Tories are sooo bad, Johnson is a liar. It's a terrible terrible election strategy. Look how well its working for the democrats for example.
You need to show what Labour is and what it can do. Labour is failing to do that. Whilst the Labour party continues on its current trajectory the vulnerable that they profess to care about continue to suffer. You can't help the vulnerable in opposition.

So poster who just laid out at jo Swinson voting record. You aren’t voting Tory of course. Presumably voting labour? Under corbyn a cartoon which showed an octopus with a Star of David strangling the Statue of Liberty was deemed not sufficiently anti Semitic to mean expulsion. It is the oldest trope in the book. Very 1930s. Do explain to me why you are then happy to vote labour (I am Jewish so would love to hear why someone who publishes this.
Lib Dem’ have acknowledged mistakes in the past and are moving forward - they have a vision for Britain and they aren’t extreme right or left

How has this woman managed to become leader of the Lib Dems with that voting record? Just awful!

Milkyway, I am a woman, the lib dems currently support legalizing prostitution, they oppose age restrictions on porn and their record on protecting children is awful.
They are extreme in a different way. I wouldn't vote labour for some of the reasons you state but please don't tell me the lib dems are the great hope because as a woman that is profoundly depressing.

as a woman that is profoundly depressing.

Well, considering that the Tories are not your friend and that women usually suffer most from unrest and loss of rights (almost inevitable with no deal), don't you think stopping this shit show of a brexit is the priority?? Then you can kick the lib dems to the curb... but save the country first.

*kerb (bloody phone)

Ermmm no Milkyway - as I've said several times I would not vote for Labour under Corbyn.

Oops sorry cat girl - maybe I shouldn’t combine child wrangling and political mumsnet - sorry for being rude

and no I don’t like some of Lib Dem policies but like songsofexperience I will vote for a party which still does reason ..