Boris supporters AIBU to ask why you think he should be PM?

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I would really like to hear the views of Boris supporters. I fully understand the anti-Boris arguments.

@2Rebecca you think BJ cares about the masses? I suspect he despises us.

One biography of Johnson, who studied classics at Balliol College, said that some of Oxford’s privately educated elite referred to state-school educated peers as stains. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/15/oxford-union-president-boris-johnson-neil-sherlock

Yep @whatwouldbigfatfannydo Good old democracy and the right to peaceful protest eh. Except if you are a disabled person in Manchester.

I'm not particularly a fan, I vote Labour for start, always do.
I can see why people might support him though.
He seems actually willing and able to take us out of the EU (for the record, I voted Remain)
Leave won though. He seems willing to honour it in a way May didn't.
So can see why people back him.
He seems strong in this case which we haven't had for a while.

Many thanks to Boris supporters and friends of Boris supporters who answered in good faith.
I do not understand why people who don’t support him found the need to answer this thread.

@user1491678180 You OK Hun?

I have never met a boris supporter. I like his sister Rachel though even she disagrees with him.
My father is very pleased with himself as he forced his arch enemy (Rees mogg) to purchase a cd he didn’t really want to buy

I think he’ll get the job done in terms of leaving the EU, and really that’s the most important consideration atm, May was a disaster.

Mrstwiddle with a good, bad or no deal for us?

I’m assuming Boris is going to face the exact same problems as Mrs May with opposition from both Parliament and the EU. Both the majority of Parliament and the EU don’t want us to leave, that isn’t going to change because good old Boris is in charge.

Boris Johnson rips up Theresa May’s immigration plan and refuses to set limits on new arrivals

Happy to see that in the independent today

I really don't understand why the narrative is now that Theresa May "wasn't trying" to get us out of the EU. How many times did the woman bring that bloody deal back? She was obsessed. If the story is now "if you don't want no deal, then you're a traitor to the Will of the People", then that's some serious mission creep.

@2Rebecca

Why should any pro-Boris people bother when the anti-Boris people are so venomous? People aren't interested in listening to other opinions they just want a fight. I think his cabinet is interesting. Corbyn is a marxist Jo Swinson doesn't know what a woman is, neither of them respect democracy because they are smug and righteous and the stupid masses are wrong and in need of "right think"and educating. Give me Boris any day. I've given up on the left because they have stopped listening and think they "know" what the people want.

One of the best posts on the thread by a country mile.

The frothing lefties don't want to hear anything except their own vacuous views, coming from inside their own vacuous echo chamber.

Boris Johnson could be the best Prime Minister we have had for several decades, but they don't want to hear that; they just want to mock and laugh at, and berate anyone who is OK with him getting the job. I fully expect that line 'Boris Johnson could be the best prime minister we have had for several decades' to be poked at and mocked.

In addition, the frothing lefties seem to be relentlessly bashing Boris, and acting like the world is ending because he is PM (rioting/trying to stop him getting into Downing Street/protesting/ NOT MY PM hashtag on twitter etc.) But if you ask them why they hate Boris and think he shouldn't be PM, the majority of them can't give a reason why. (And the few that DO, just come out with 'he is racist, and bigoted.' And even then, they can only come up with a couple of examples of things he said.)

In other news, Jeremy Corbyn is demanding a General Election (AGAIN.) Why? Does he think Labour will win, and HE will become Prime Minister? He never learns does he? 😂 He has lost EVERYTHING in the last 3-4 years. He's a clown, and more of a bigot than Boris Johnson will EVER be... (antisemitism anyone?)

Oh and Corbyn is very disingenuous. He was anti EU his whole political career. Now suddenly he is PRO-EU. Funny that eh?

I'd rather have Timmy fucking Mallet as Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn.

Vacuous views? Dismantling the nhs, child poverty, the sick and disabled denied enough to live on, our resources sold off to rich tory donors - is this really what you want? Because this is what you're getting.

I'm not 'frothing' by any stretch but I am deeply worried about those on the breadline and those whose work is dependent on our connections with Europe.

Yes, Corbyn is anti-EU. But he is going with the majority of his party because that's how democracy is supposed to work.

From an outsiders perspective both lefties and Righties have issues with Boris as PM.
It doesn't come across as left against right, the main issue looks to be Boris

But if you ask them why they hate Boris and think he shouldn't be PM, the majority of them can't give a reason why

Because he was voted in by less than 10,000 people and back in 2007, when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair, Johnson had plenty to say on the subject of having an unelected PM with no mandate:

It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people.

It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.

The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…

Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay.

So, he should stand by his words and have an election without delay as by his own opinion at this moment no one elected Boris Johnson as Prime Minister and he has no democratic mandate.

I agree with PPs. This thread is just waiting for anti brexit/ anti Tory posters to jump on it so even if I was a Boris fan I wouldn’t write about it on here.
I’d rather have Boris than Corbyn any day but he wouldn’t have been my first choice for replacing TM (I really like TM actually and think she’s been treated appallingly).

Dismantling the nhs, child poverty, the sick and disabled denied enough to live on, our resources sold off to rich tory donors - is this really what you want?

For a good few, the answer appears to be yes, the price of leaving the EU is worth wrecking what remains of the welfare state. Never mind that you might need the NHS one day, or have to support someone with disability or get a disability yourself. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel won't be there to pick up the pieces for you.

It doesn't come across as left against right, the main issue looks to be Boris.

Which mirrors the Labour party with Corbyn.

Oh and sorry (not), I am not a Tory, therefore I didn't vote, and therefore I should not be commenting.

I really like TM actually and think she’s been treated appallingly.

I don't agree with the first bit, but I wholly agree with the second part. Her party, or the ERG wing at least, should be absolutely ashamed of the way they have treated her.

I'm a Tory, voted labour once in 1997 aged 21 and regretted it ever since

Don't regret it. You were young and stupid.

Now your older and......more stupid.

Exactly, EmeraldShamrock. My die-hard Tory father (who worships Margaret Thatcher) hates Johnson because of "fuck business". My lifelong Tory-voting mother worked in education for decades and can't stand him because of some stupid comments he apparently made a few years back about teachers. My lifelong Tory-voting uncle is a child sexual abuse survivor and was disgusted by the crass "spaffing money up the wall" comment. My Tory-leaning colleagues can't stand incompetent people and are outraged that he screwed up and got that poor woman a longer sentence. I could go on. The point is that Johnson has been in politics for a long time and has been shooting his mouth off for years. People already have their views of him. He's not an unknown quantity who just deserves a chance because we don't know him yet.

@user149etc, plenty of Tories find BJ detestable and, even fellow MPs have stated at length why they consider him unfit to be PM. Whilst you're frothing about lefties perhaps you might take their views into account?. And what do you think of them? Stalwart defenders of democracy? Or pinko socialist traitors such as Ken Clarke, Heseltine, John Major, Chris Patten?

I don't want to link to the DM now but I read there this morning that Merkel compared the potential stand off and YEARS of negotiations to Cold War style relations leading to a kind of Iron Curtain between the UK and the EU.
That made me sick to my stomach.
@BigChocFrenzy , has she actually said that? This isn't a woman who would use this comparison lightly. I'm asking you and anyone with access to German news.

plenty of Tories find BJ detestable and, even fellow MPs have stated at length why they consider him unfit to be PM.

This begs the question of why they voted for him then? Or all they all quietly resigning from the party and not voting/joining the LibDems?

I don't want to link to the DM now but I read there this morning that Merkel compared the potential stand off and YEARS of negotiations to Cold War style relations leading to a kind of Iron Curtain between the UK and the EU.

I am not sure how valid the comparisons will be - the countries behind the iron curtain had the support of the USSR with its natural resources. Who can the UK rely on? I know that the Tories are now hoping to beef up relationships with the white Commonwealth countries and grudgingly with India, but who else?

Between Boris and Hunt as an ex NHS nurse I would hands down prefer Boris. Lesser of two evils purely for what he did when health secretary

I don’t get this “well people are going to disagree with me so there’s no point me answering the question” mentality. Do you only ever converse with people guaranteed to agree with you? Must be a very restricted life