To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

@TakeOneForTheBreem I'm purposefully not engaging in talking about trans issues as I feel this thread is about gay relationships.

Also, queer is an important word. It's been an insult for a long time and is now being reclaimed by the community. Language is power. You look ignorant describing it as 'teenage attention seeking'. It's an important part of lgbtq+ history.

@idabwells right, so following that logic, if your child came home with a reading book that had a family with a mum and dad then you would complain about that? Because you don't want any teaching about sexuality done at all?

ghost well how convenient to leave what is probably the most pressing matter out of the conversation...

"Also, queer is an important word. It's been an insult for a long time and is now being reclaimed by the community. Language is power. "

Reclaiming is bullshit. I will not erase people by using shitty language like that, for one thing. Beyond that, many in the community, me included, fucking hate that word.

@breem but trans and lgb issues are separate and need to be spoken about separately. This conversation is about exposing children to the fact that people with different relationships exist. Also, I can guarantee that we have different views relating to trans issues and there's just no point in dragging that out because trans issues seem to shut down people's minds. Can't be moved.

Well, regarding your opinion of the word queer I think you're fighting a losing battle there. Many people now refer to themselves as queer, spaces refer to themselves as queer, etc. Language is so important, and if you wanted to educate yourself there are excellent examples within the black community of reclaiming language. The way that people refer to each other is power, that's a fact.

Also, who are you erasing by using the word queer?

Reclaimed by some of the "community". Some people still see the word in the context it was used like, two years ago. And still is used by plenty of people.

Okay, I'm gonna reclaim "retard". How does that sit with people?

@beyonddangerous You don't get to do that because you (I assume) are not part of the community which that word was initially used against.

I've had the word used against me based on my disabilities...

@beyond well if you are a part of the community which that word was originally used against then you have the right to reappropriate that word. If you're not, then you don't have the right. It's simple.

The examples I was thinking about are within the black community, particularly in the US.

The word "queer" seems to have been reclaimed by the more vocal TQIAP2S+ (something like that ) bit of the community. I dislike the word, having been on the receiving end of it being used in a derogatory way more than once.

Funny how the people "reclaiming" queer hate when us transsexuals try and reclaim the word "tranny" - even though both are considered slurs.

Some very confused thinking here.
What one person thinks can never be a breach of another person’s human rights. I understand that it may cause distress to gay people to know others think unpleasant things about them. As the parent of a child with ASD I know how that feels. But these belief systems exist and no amount of vituperation on your part will change that.
What can and should be regulated is behaviour. There should not be bullying or exclusion. Children should be educated to examine all belief systems critically. No outsiders seems like just another form of brainwashing.

Beyond that, many in the community, me included, fucking hate that word.

That word and the whole alphabet soup. I'm NOT LGBTQQIAKPwhatever, I'm lesbian.

The alphabet soup is ridiculous and I'd be furious if I was LGB at how the T has taken over and is fuelling homophobia. Lesbian don't accept dick=transphobic in the world of T. And Q encompasses virtually everything if the T doesn't do it loses all meaning.

LGB needs to break away or Stonewall wake up but I doubt the latter will happen. Maybe lesbians will break away on their own. They'd have my support.

Seeing as we’re are talking about primary schooling, it’s not a word I’d want my 7 year old coming home using. It still seems very much like a derogatory word to me and I wouldn’t use it myself.

I also have massive objections to queer theory being applied to the classroom.

Queer theory does not belong in the classroom or anywhere near children and vulnerable people.

No one should ever be told their body is wrong. Love who you want, like what you want and accept yourself for who you are.

I’m not a fan of the whole “community” thing. Are we not all nuanced humans regardless of sexuality, race or faith.
The idea that children get yet another label baffles me.Surely be your own person should come first.
I have know many students identify that identify as something gay, straight or bi regardless of the fact that there entire experience of relationships has been about a year.

@drpeabody If you are not part of the 'alphabet soup' then you don't really get an opinion. And please do not speak for all lesbians. As one, I'm very happy to share the world with my trans sisters.

@empress what would you be happy with then? What catchall phrase would you prefer to talk about these issues?

You may be happy to share your changing rooms and intimate areas with men (I mean who thought a mixed hospital dementia ward was a good idea?) but you don’t speak for all womankind.

I've become aware that some fashionable het couples identify as "queer" because he wears eyeliner essentially. It's become one of those identities that people adopt to make themselves more interesting.

I just adore the way these straw men are set up. No one is talking about not sharing the world with people, ghost. We’re talking about what’s taught in schools.
I get why you do this tho. You actually are beat on the real arguments, so you misrepresent what’s being said to deflect attention. Not new.

@oil I'm not misrepresenting though? I was actually trying to keep the conversation on what was taught in schools. I stated that a few times. I was then criticised for ignoring the trans issue, which is not what this entire thread was about. The OP specifically stated it was about the way gay relationships were taught in schools.

What are your thoughts about that, then?

letsghostdance I didn't attempt to speak for all lesbians

@TheBigBallOfOil it's corn dolly now as "straw man" was deemed offensive and deleted off another thread 🙄

Seriously?