To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

You said, ghost, that you were very happy to share the world with your trans sisters. The clear implication bring that others were not. No one had taken that position.
We are not stupid you know, however committed you are to pretending to be. Discussing the trans agenda critically is not the same as saying you don’t want reasons people in the world with you. You are trying to close down debate, and I know why.

T has not taken over LGBT anti trans activists have. I hear very little from trans quietly going about their business,hear a shed load from anti trans activists though.

You misspelled pro safeguarding op, pro women and girls, pro lesbian.

You clearly aren't looking in the right places! Anyway, as has already been pointed out, the overwhelming majority on here - bearing in mind this is AIBU? not FWR - are in agreement about trans ideology (note: ideology not transpeople themselves) being very problematic when being pushed in educational settings. I find this very encouraging as not that long ago this would have gone very differently.

Trans activists crop up on any thread on here re LGBT issues so it means zilch. It's getting tiresome too.

Trans activists crop up on any thread on here re LGBT issues so it means zilch.

They aren’t ‘trans activists’ they are parents concerned about lobby groups giving guidance in schools that goes against basic safeguarding practice.

I agree OP. FWR posters pounce on any thread mentioning LGBT, it’s not indicative of public opinion.

The details of the protest were mainly around homosexuality - posters here are turning it into a trans issue because it’s ‘acceptable’ here to not approve of that.

Taylor swift sums it up nicely

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkk9gvTmCXY

Not approve of what? Public opinion about what?

Wanting to ensure girls at school have single sex spaces including changing rooms and overnight sleeping areas for school trips is pretty mainstream and certainly isn’t anti trans for example. Or wanting parents to be informed if this wasn’t the case. None of this is anti trans in any way.

But perhaps you are talking about something completely different?

I pulled my daughter out of all the trans nonsense lessons/assemblies at school. She's in year 7. We were already fighting shared toilets and then LGBTQ+ WEEK arrived after International Women's DAY and I saw red especially as after just one day of this she was pestered by older students on three occasions asking if she was gay. Older students who'd had at least two years of this annual week of lgbtq+ acceptance encouraging lessons and assemblies. So they aren't working to promote acceptance are they. I visited school the other day and heard a lad calling another student gay as an insult. I've no tolerance for that.

Just saw the Panorama episode. The woman who thought they were queering the classroom or whatever and trying to turn children gay by using storybooks made my skin crawl.

And the irony of the parents shouting "education not indoctrination" and having their kids shout it too was not lost on me.

TS needs to go back to her country roots and stop making shit songs that make no sense. Although her country songs are full of sexist stereotypes and she needs to stop singing about submissive women needing a man to come and save her. I love TS's earlier stuff but the feminist in me gets the rage at the lyrics. And her recent stuff is shite. Earlywalker the lyrics of that one don't make any sense and she's been criticised for jumping on the rainbow bandwagon to be cool woke during pride month.

I agree OP. FWR posters pounce on any thread mentioning LGBT, it’s not indicative of public opinion

So funny - Earlywalker seems to spend many, many hours posting on FWR themselves

The protestors have issue with homosexuality being taught because they believe it is a sin.

If these religious activists started protesting that woman shouldn’t be taught they can have uncovered hair, or shouldn’t have access to abortion - we wouldn’t even be entertaining it.

The children with parents who are protesting learning about gay relationships, are exactly the children who need to learn it.

Why are you all making this a trans issue? Is FWR now fully religious activists? Or woman’s rights activists? Because you do realise entertaining these protests are harming lesbians too?

I’m sure lots of these protestors think exactly those sorts of things, and lots of other things I do not like. But I can’t stop them, nor do I have a right to try.
What I do have a right to regulate is their behaviour. Be against abortion by all means - provided you do not interfere with or impede people’s lawful right to access it, I have no cause for complaint, though I may disagree.
Trying to control what people think doesn’t work and creates a backlash.

They are not just saying or thinking ‘oh I don’t like gays’ though are they?

They are saying that children should not be taught that being gay is acceptable because it isn’t to them.

They are policing the right of their children to be taught points of view that differ from their own.

And that's ok?

Children should be taught about all viewpoints and encouraged to examine them critically. Part of the problem here is there are two sides both claiming the right to tell kids what to think. That is not what school should be about.

And to the extent that the agenda the school pushes involves genderist ideology, I too would protest about that being stated to my children as fact.

Why are you all making this a trans issue?

The T randomly stuck on the end of LGBT is what is making the thread about trans issues too. If you want to talk about LGB rights on their own, great. Makes much more sense, they are such a different (and sometimes conflicting) set of challenges.

The protestors, the signs, the panorama documentary and the OP all clearly state about homophobia, not transphobia.

Children will no doubt be told their parents views on homosexuality, a school providing an opposing view and promoting inclusivity should not be allowed to be shouted down.

Homophobia can have big impact on LGB lives, in 2019 we are right to have education on this included in the curriculum. We teach about tolerance for other religions and races, of course we should teach about other relationships.

It's frightening that there are LGB people using 'queer' as if it was just a reclaimed slur.

It means so much more than that. DrEm is right, queer theory is a trojan unicorn which could not be snuck in without a lot of numpties standing there going 'thank you for the lovely wooden horsey'. So if you're using it as just a cool, new, inclusive and reclaimed term to mean LGB (even T) you need to look deeper.

If someone calls themselves queer I assume they are familiar with, and agree with, queer theory. Hence I am extremely wary of anyone who adopts that label.

Sorry OP, I realise you wanted a nice comfy thread where you could just encourage everyone to insult the nasty bigoted muslims. I'm sure the BBC were going for a similar effect with their programme. It's so much simpler than having to deal with the awkward questions feminists are asking, isn't it?

No Outsiders grew directly out of queer theory so we can't just ignore that.

They're not protesting because their daughter might have to share a bathroom with boys, they're protesting because they're being taught that it's okay to be gay and that some people have two mums or two dads.

Excusing homophobic protests because you have an issue with trans ideology shows that this ‘movement’ is reaching a very dark place indeed.

Excusing homophobic protests because you have an issue with trans ideology shows that this ‘movement’ is reaching a very dark place indeed.

Who is doing this ?!?