To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

@idabwells would you be okay with your primary age child reading a book where a man and woman were married? And lived together? Had a child? Would you be okay with your child watching a film with the same content?

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Due to this comment: "I and all the others didn't choose to be LGBTQ+ however religion is a social construct."

If gender is a construct, then how does T fit into not being a choice?

And whatever the hell Q purports to be, mainly "teenage attention seeking", how is that not a choice?

letsghostdance yes, at home. When they are 4-10 I want any teaching on sexuality to be at home. Especially as has been said those organizations that are writing the curriculum for sex education for primary age kids seem to also be promoting ideas about sexuality and gender that my husband and I consider unscientific and dangerous for young children’s mental health.

They are saying my son isn’t natural, that it is not ok to be gay. How dare they.

These views are simply not part of our society. Many many Christians and Muslims don’t believe this. There is no place in our society for those that do.

There was not a single mention of trans issues on that Panorama program. The parents clearly have a problem with people being gay. Their extremism was shocking. We’re talking about Elmer for God’s sake. Trans activities are hyjacking the cause for their own gains. A double whammy against gay children and their families,yet more extremism. It’s just appalling , the ineptitude from the gov has heightened the whole issue. I seriously worry for my son’s future.

At the end of the day it is ok to be gay, it’s natural and families come in many different forms. All children need to know and be taught this. Some clearly won’t be taught this at home,the protests clearly demonstrate the huge need for this program.

"These views are simply not part of our society. Many many Christians and Muslims don’t believe this. There is no place in our society for those that do. "

And yet here we are. These people are part of our society, like it or not. We can't just hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's not like that.

I agree OP. I don’t think parents should’ve had a say in this. If a parent didn’t want their child learning about Islam in RE, I doubt it would be taken seriously and the schedule stopped.

Kids will hear all the homophobia and transphobia from their parents on a regular basis if they are against it, school should be free of prejudice and certainly not have the curriculum determined by their parents bigotry.

Parents should be told what’s in the lessons.

There was not a single mention of trans issues on that Panorama program

Exactly. But that's because nearly all MSM shut down any negativity re trans issues. They are implying the issue is homosexuality (it IS with some) but the reality is that most folks would be agahst at the stupid, dangerous, born-in-the-wrong-body nonsense that is being taught to kids, if only they knew.
Trans ideology is throwing gay kids under the bus.

It suits the ideology to imply this is purely an anti gay issue.

Indeed - that’s why it is necessary to show what is being taught and explain who is supplying the teaching/materials. There are some groups who shouldn’t be preaching to children.

What’s MSM?

Oh ok shall we just except racism and white supremacists because we see views on here.

Trans activists and homophobic religious zealots are scratching each other’s backs on this subject. It’s sickening.

So what’s the solution? Society is becoming more aggressive, judgemental and abusive.

MSM - main stream media.

Just accept? No. But I have no idea how to get out of this mess.

The mental gymnastics that the left, in particular, must do to embrace Fundy religions at the same time as they embrace trans rights boggles my mind.

If it was up to me, the education for these kids would simply be Sometimes people have two mummies or two daddies and that's fine. End of.

I was a kid in the 70s. I remember a book in primary school called something like ‘David has 2 dads’.

Primary school is the ideal time to teach them about sex and in fact if you havn't already had a proper chat about the facts of life, lgbt and trans issues by secondary school then you are an irresponsible parent..religious or no.

Trans - when/why did that elbow into relationships and family issues?

Kids - girls especially - need some form of reproductive education before high school though. Plenty of them will be starting their periods while still in primary school. I did, and it’s much more common now

You need to discuss the isdues surrounding trans...eg: gender neutrality is better than sex change, dont give in to normalising men in womens toilets or whatever your beliefs are as it is a hot topic atm.

And they need to be prepared for secondary school before they get there.

I just cannot believe that many parents wouldnt discuss lgbt issues themselves if they are so worried about schools doing it.
Having said that if you are homophobic then i suppose your take on it will be biased.
Im guessing many of these parents would shun their child if they were gay...in which case a special place in hell resides.
My dd had a gaydar at age about 7. Not imposed by me i should add...she simply said that man is gay...he has amazing shoes!

Reasonable commonsense education is getting hijacked by curriculum written by people who have an ideology that they are doing everything in their power to mainstream. Again it is the unscientific, subjective ideas around gender which separate the biology of male and female sex differences and sowing seeds of confusion that boys and girls should reject their bodies if they are unhappy and don't fit in, teaching sexual stereotypes. All of this needs to be removed from anything taught to Primary Age children. It seems they want young children taught this nonsense as fact before children are capable of higher level critical thinking.

My children are all teens and I really have sympathy for parents who are having to deal with all this at a Primary level. At least with my eldest going to Uni I can discuss all the concerns and issues around Gender Theory, Judith Butler and the like so she is able to critique these new ideas.

I am glad these Muslim parents have been protesting and are disruptive because at least their concerns are not being ignored. Their protests have been successful because thanks to them we are having these discussions.

Bus discussions are being slanted and shut down. They are being reported as purely homophobic bigotry - and in some cases it probably is. But it is the whole content we should consider. Some of the packs and training materials provided to schools is just so damaging.

Too much of what is being reported is painting Muslims as regressive and homophobic.

If you have a dispute like this, there will be plenty of loud and homophobic/'just haven't thought things through enough from a variety of perspectives' people who are ready able and willing to say their piece on screen. It makes easy television/newspaper fodder and plays into the current narrative of anyone not agreeing being a bigot, and will push the protesters further down that route.

I would have expected more from Panorama about what is in the curriculum and the views of the actual parents (although I expect they are all hiding under a rock, as far as mainstream media is concerned, now). I hope they are getting good advice and understanding the nuance of the issues.

Your son absolutely has the right to be accepted as he is Lucy

Sorry if the protests are having a negative impact on him, that is 100% not OK.