To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

No one said they should suck up bullying. Bullying is not ok. No one ever said it was.

There's no talking to OP.
No wonder. She sees issues where there aren't any. Misquoted people and puts words in their mouths.

No wonder you're having a hard time. It's you that's making it hard!

Or move schools?
Ds1's school haven't had complaints against the trans and bi children. Because their peers don't give two hoots.

I never said suck it up. OP is being wilful there. Obviously an agenda there.

So my ds should move from his outstanding school because others think it’s ok to say to him that being gay isn’t natural, to push him and others out the way, physically attack him, call then faggots.... We don’t need to move because the school are excellent on dealing with it( unlike the government).

It most certainly isn’t us making it hard or other parents of gay kids. Nothing like a bit of victim blaming. The ones making it hard are the homophobic kids.

You said bullying has always been there inferring just get on with it.

What on earth do you think I have as an agenda?

I'm the parent of a lesbian op and I'm concerned about the material being taught as some of it is homophobic. It's parents of homosexual kids who are concerned.

OP did you read the Queering the Classroom link? Did you read Dr Em's analysis of queer theory?

Transgender ideology is homophobic. You need to understand this.

No it isn’t it’s Muslim homophobic parents and no I didn’t as Im not reading anything with that title.

Oh and earlier someone asked why the BBC didn't air community objections to transgender ideology in schools.
It's because the BBC are pretending no one objects to it. It's part of their queer theory agenda. This is #nodebate in action.
Instead they report on left wing feminists as "transphobes" for critiquing the whole thing as sexist, homophobic and a safeguarding risk.

Not saying get on with it. How did you read that into it? Merely pointing out that this was always the case - it (gay bullying) lessened and now has come back worse than ever as a result, I believe in the antics of the transactivist lobby.

‘Gay not normal’ yes bullies say that and you know who else is saying that? The trans kid is the untouchable one. The gay kid is the target again. This is the new normal.

So you don't support your son then. Queer is part of LGBTQetc. It has been reclaimed.
You sound frankly dim.

So let me get this clear: many gay men and lesbians describe themselves as queer nowadays, and you don't want them to do this?

And you sound rather racist too. I know Islam isn’t a race but you do realise that a chunk of the people shown wearing headscarves and long skirts will be Christian from that part of the world don’t you?

I posted earlier on this thread and wanted to elaborate slightly more.

I'm a transman attracted to men. I've received a lot of insults and nasty comments as a result of being trans (i.e having gender dysphoria). However, I've heard a hell of a lot more homophobic language than I have "transphobic" remarks.

My younger sister is still in secondary school. It's a small school, and there are 6 "trans" kids - every single one of these kids were happy being gay/lesbian until LGBT sessions started (focussing on the T). I believe the current trans movement to be extremely homophobic, and as such it does not belong with LGB.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It's one I've struggled with for as long as I can remember. It is distressing and painful. Now it's being used to push a political agenda by people who don't actually care about dysphoric youngsters.

The modern trans ideology is just as damaging and homophobic as the religious ideologies followed and pushed by these parents.

Did you ignore the several times I included Christians.

And re freaky dim.

I don't want anyone trying to convince my autistic daughter that she might fit in better as a boy. She can be exactly as she chooses without someone telling her she's a blue jelly baby.

Religion is a choice,being gay isn’t so sorry it does trump religion.

Good luck with your campaign to fundamentally rewrite the Equality Act. Good luck with changing the Human Rights Act after that because freedom of belief (or not to believe) is protected there too.

I'm always suspicious of the word 'choice', it's been used to justify some atrocious things with no regard to the context in which choices are made or the power relations involved.

I suppose you also want to not bother about pregnancy and maternity discrimination. That's a choice after all (for most women in most parts of the UK ).

Yes, we need to dismantle sexist stereotypes not use them to teach children which sex they are. Interesting post gayboy27, many transsexuals are horrified by this current movement. My dd's girlfriend is an ex transman and dd has questioned if she is a girl herself. I am hoping she realises that being a lesbian is fine but the current climate encourages girls who don't fit to declare they are male.

Firstly OP bullying of children is always wrong

What concerns me in particaulr is that children are being bullied into being trans when they are just none conformat or lesbian

Rates of trans identification are noticeably higher in societies that are strongly homophobic. Iran being a rather extreme example.

So I think people probably want children to be taught to respect everyone, but In an age appropriate way, becuase it’s unlikely that most children really understand sexual orientation pre Puberty for example. AND in a way that is not telling lies to children such as the “wrong body” narrative

OP, I agree that DofE and schools really do need to stand strong on this one. They have a great opportunity to be a force for good. I'm glad your son is going to a school where homophobic bullying is tackled. Luckily the kids going to his school are the next generation of leaders and influencers.

Friends with LGBT children in school have told me awful stories about TEACHERS at schools being homophobic to their kids. I think the DofE need to stand strong on this so that there is no place left for intolerant attitudes to be spread in schools - by anyone.

Lumpy Yes, I agree. I know a few young butch lesbians who suddenly declared they're actually boys. The whole trans movement, imo, is a glamorized attempt at conversion therapy. Most young "trans boys" are same-sex attracted. My aforementioned sister is lesbian, and thank god she's managed to not let this stuff sink in.

I bet loads of the woking class's heads are exploding with all this islamophobia. The cognitive dissonance must be really painful.

One minute they are castigating women for having a critical response to hijab or calling us bigots for raising concerns about all the women being made to sit separately from the men at public meetings, or for pointing out antisemitism in the labour party ... the next minute we are told it's homophobic to give any credence to the beliefs of muslims wrt sexual orientation or the trans agenda.

Frankly I can't keep up but it's becoming increasingly clear whose rights matter and whose don't.

I think it’s homophobia dressed in spangles. Still not ‘acceptable’ to be gay - say you are in the wrong body and you become bulletproof.

homophobia dressed in spangles

Good summary.

And sex discrimination, pencils. Sex is a choice too nowadays - in a manner of speaking...

None of his friends care if anyone is gay, bi, trans or whatever! But they are fed up of it being shoved down their throats all the time.

In what way is it shoved down their throats? More than living in a default-heterosexual society?