To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

I wish the humanists were capable of critical thought.

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I agree that the government should
Not allow certain things like people protesting outside schools. And being local I think BIrmingham City Council took far too long to address this. However I also agree With those saying the T issue is completely separate to the LGB one and also the government needs to come up with a sensible stance on this and not play into the hands of the trans activists which I fear may happen. We need to be looking after our children and addressing this as a safeguarding issue for our kids mental and physical health.
I also think this whole shambles in Birmingham has been very carefully orchestrated by No Outsiders, to put a programme like this on in such a strong Muslim area would undoubtedly attract criticism. They know that BIrmingham City Council is very pro Muslim in many of its educational policies and it was an opportunity for them in many ways to create the perfect PR storm. They've got great coverage and anyone who disagrees is homophobic without actually conveying all the facts of the programme.

@SolsticeBabyMaybe I would have been more concerned that a child thinks they can only get a castle through marriage. He needs to learn that he can earn his own castle.

Not that transphobia would be any more ok than homophobia.

Hate and prejudice against any group is wrong. Unfortunately hate and prejudice against women and lesbians is being defended and lauded while they are labelled ‘transphobic’ for standing up for their rights.

The curriculum is all lumped together as ‘LGBT’ which is why people keep pointing the conflicting and different issues between LGB and T challenges out.

@Chocolatehat

Yes we are working on the castle fixation 😅 but I suppose my point was that we were easily able to have that discussion without the idea of marrying a man being a big deal.

I'm inclined to think that whatever the adults views on the issues, such as those coming up on this thread, the important thing is to teach respect and kindness first.

All of this 'ohhh but we shouldn't mention it it's far too complicated' just takes away from that message. Teach kids to value each other as people, first. To accept other children as they are, and treat them with reapect and dignity. Then later they can talk about the complexities arising from their individual differences once they are old enough to have those discussions for themselves.

Solstice, being the first gay royal marriage probably would be a big deal! I hope they're prepared for the paparazzi...

@BeyondDangerousTshirts

Oh my goodness, imagine the souvenirs!! The crockery sets with the two princess. It would be fairly glorious (and I'm the farthest from a royalist than you can get!)

People who know better than God are doomed to discover they don't, and not necessarily at their own expense, sadly.

solstice I agree except that it is also teaching children they can be born in the wrong body. I have no tolerance for teaching something so damaging to children. I think it is deliberately disingenuous to conflate these issues.

@Gone2far

No it isn't, no more so than saying you should be respectful towards people who follow a religion means that all religious beliefs are true.

I’m heartened by the majority view in this thread, that accepts gay but rejects trans ideology. The two are incompatible, as PPs have said.
Gay rights hurt nobody, and trample on nobody else’s rights.
Trans rights activists, by contrast, lobby for the end of women’s protected single sex spaces, such as changing rooms, refuges, prisons, and allow men to cheat by entering women’s sports events and beating the female competitors (sometimes literally- women have suffered appalling injuries against male opponents).
Trans ideology is also predicated on bringing back all the harmful dated gender stereotypes that my generation of feminists fought so hard to abolish - that if you are female, you must like pink, dresses, make up and unicorns, and if you like cars and football you’re in the “wrong body” and should be subjected to mutilating surgery and hormone blockers. Young gay people nowadays are at real risk of being pushed onto a trans pathway to sterility and surgery. And young lesbians are hectored to accept “lady penises”.
I would have withdrawn my DC from any school lessons teaching this dangerous and false dogma. Thankfully, they grew up before this crock of shit hit the fan, and gay kids in their school were given the space to develop their own identity in their own time, without anyone telling them they were “in the wrong body”.

There has been more than a 5000% increase in the number of girls attending the Tavistock clinic in less than a decade.

Multiple clinicians have resigned because they fear what they are doing is unethical, is not evidence based and is in many cases conversion therapy of children who would otherwise grow up as gay or lesbian.

Penny Mordaunt has at last started the process of investigating why so many girls suddenly want to be boys (having first promised an 'urgent' inquiry almost a year ago).

We cannot any longer just spout fluffy 'can't we all just get along' platitudes. Not while this huge uncontrolled experiment on our children is in full swing.

Puberty blockers plus cross sex hormones leads to infertility, sexual dysfunction, a life long role as a medical patient, permanent changes to the body and massively increased risks of ill health. And as we saw from the video upthread, it doesn't even work to improve mental health.

I think a lot of people thought that most of these things were done

LGB acceptance
Women s equality
Racism is a bad thing

Etc

Turns out people just stopped saying what they thought, or loud, or in front of people they suspected might disagree. They never stopped thinking it though.

Feels like society is going backwards a lot around the world at the moment, with resurgence of ideas that we hoped were finished, all over the place.

Could not agree more, Fraggling. Depressing, isn't it.

No - I think they are accepted, as a rule.
But some people want 'a man can be a woman, without or without surgery, if they feel like it' to be pushed under the radar and not discussed. And strongly object to anyone who dares to disagree.
And that is depressing

I've been in situations at work where nicey lovely male workmates have suddenly let slip something sexist and you realise that they are actually being quite careful what they say, most of the time.

These things aren't done and backlash is ongoing.

Sorry but trans activists have taken over yet another thread. Could you have your debate somewhere else. This is about homophobia being pandered to and the government letting children down.

It is homophobia displayed by these parents and religious groups.

"There's no way that people of faith will teach it's OK to be gay," she said. "They won't because the bible tells us it isn't OK to be gay.

That type of thing is what I object to and other religious groups thinking it’s ok to jump on the bandwagon. The government have caused this. I’d appreciate it if you kept the focus on this and not your trans debate.

Can I ask you what the T in LGBT stands for then?
Many posters have said that they think teaching of tolerance of LGB people is only good. But aren't happy with the teaching of transgender issues. Perhaps you could comment on that?

Frankly I don’t have a problem with teaching about trans issues. Ofsted deemed the program entirely appropriate. I’m only interested in the encouragement of homophobia. Could you take your debate elsewhere as you’re entirely derailing the thread. Start up your own if you want a debate.

Haddock totally agree....

Having actually looked into the materials they’re objecting to I’m afraid I’d not be happy about my child being exposed to them, but for different reasons than the protesters (who do come across as bigots but have been helpful in highlighting the content of the No Outsiders program). This is what happens when LGB and T (and kink/fetishes) are all lumped together that you are made to feel you have to accept as a whole. No, I won’t and neither will the majority of people when they see what it is that is being promoted.

There are two issues here:

1. religious groups and homophobia - totally unacceptable in today's world
2. A really illconceived and inaccurate programme - No Outsiders - - for young children because

i. In terms of child development primary school kids are grappling with what it means to be a boy or a girl, and letting go of the make-believe that you can become anyone or anything you want - Accepting transpeople okay, but NOT teaching them they can change sex, deeply damaging ii. schools need to know how inaccurate it is: misrepresenting the Equality Act by ignoring "sex" as a protected characteristic and adding"gender identity" which is NOT in there... teaching children this is law is horrendous!

The lobby groups teaching trans issues in schools are encouraging homophobia Lucy

As I said I’m not discussing the trans issue. The parents are Muslims who are anti gay, ditto now Catholics. They are not debating the trans issue but same sex relationships.I don’t believe any objection to the curriculum justifies the government turning a blind eye to homophobia which is what they have done.

I don't know why schools have to involved themselves in LBTG stuff. To me it is becoming a form of indoctrination, and its also incredibly patronising. Didn't happen when I was at school, and neither me nor my friends were homophobic etc. Like most people as we grew up we understood that this was part of life and required no further comment.

I think the constant LGBT agenda is starting to actually grate, and create a backlash. I know this won't be a popular view, but I think this will happen.

It’s needed because homophobic bullying is rife and the mental health of LGBT children is suffering. Children with parents speaking this bilge at home speak it at school. I don’t want my child exposed to it. Children not long out of primary school recently stabbed a gay couple. Another gay couple were attacked on a bus by children. It is needed.