To think the gov have let LGBT children down and have encouraged bullying

[LucyBart0n]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48965655

And caused unnecessary problems for schools.

It now appears other religions are joining in on the act and coming out with homophobic bilge. One wonders if the ministers involved had had their own children suffer homophobic bullying that they might have been more proactive.

I don’t think it’s a coincident that the bullying my son suffered has reared its ugly head again. Thankfully as teachers and schools have more grit the culprits who said similar things to the Catholic leader in said article were dealt with appropriately.

Thanks a lot government you’ve told the world it’s not ok to be gay.

OP, you say you won't read the Transgender Trend piece because of its title. You must have missed the post where it was pointed out that title comes from those who kickstarted the No Outsiders programme.

One of those teacher researchers, recruited for the project, was Andrew Moffat. He was also one of the speakers at No Outsiders seminar at the University of Exeter in 2008 where he co-presented a paper with Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, the project co-leader. The title of the seminar was Queering the Body; Queering Primary Education.

and later:

I’ve read the 35 recommended books and correlated each one, where possible, with the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act. This was done on the basis of the content of each book. 17 books could be said to have a link to one of the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act.

They are listed here with the number of books that relate to them following in brackets.

Age (1) Disability (3) Gender Reassignment (4) Race (3) Religion or Belief (0) Sex (1) Sexual Orientation (5) Marriage and Civil Partnerships (0) Pregnancy and Maternity (0)

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

Did you watch the Panorama program?

No, but will catch up with it.

#thetimekeeper, I know you were quoting someone else but I can agree with the person being quoted. Our workplace looks like an explosion at a paint factory, rainbow flags across every noticeboard, being made to wear rainbow lanyards, being “heavily encouraged” to go to pride, team nights out always being led to the gay quarter of the city by the team leader. It’s like it’s the only cause that matters. Every diversity talk basically ends up in a talk about how homophobic the world is.

It’s like other people can’t have their views, their priorities. I’d love lanyards raising awareness and showing support for people suffering mental illness, diversity talks about how hard it is coping with mental illness, I’d love screen savers asking people to be mental health allies. But literally nothing else gets a look in.

I’ve always fully supported people being free to be true to their sexuality but now whenever someone mentions LGBT I’m like oh ffs! It’s not the only agenda, lgbt are not the only people being bullied, they are not the only people being murdered for who they are.

It’s this single mindedness that’s going to cause issues. Telling everyone they are. Wrong is just going to push everyone to the extremes, the more you deny a voice the more you risk someone replacing that voice with fists.

Stonewall would do a lot better winning hearts and minds if it dialled back its activity. It’s not really changing people views for the better, at best it’s creating a climate of fear whereby people are afraid to say anything against the agenda (obviously they can’t police thoughts)

Could the dc not be encouraged to think of other things apart from their sexuality. Surely this only makes up part of their identity

They need to be given a chance to grow up and mature before making a huge life changing decisions. It's all very scary and I'm glad my dc are now young adults.

Of course they do. These lessons form a small part of their education.

So my ds should move from his outstanding school because others think it’s ok to say to him that being gay isn’t natural, to push him and others out the way, physically attack him, call then faggots.... We don’t need to move because the school are excellent on dealing with it( unlike the government).

If this is happening often, I would question how well the school actually is dealing with it. It might be worth moving him to a school that is less outstanding, but which has less bullying.

gayboy27 you've absolutely hit the nail on the head there; it's tragic to hear.

You're saying what I've seen and heard a number of transsexuals say.

People think they're being accepting when really they're not accepting a young woman or man who is just not fitting the gender stereotype and sexual orientation stereotype for their sex, forcing them to think they're the wrong sex and so much harm their body to align everything properly.

There will be gay Muslim children in that school. Their parents will tell them over and over that they are wrong and shouldn't exist. They need to hear from somewhere else that they are okay. Who knows how many people have lived in misery and denial of their true selves over the course of history thanks to religion.

Also, it's so important to tell children to reject the social construct of gender. I welcome a totally gender neutral society. However, that does not change that a small percentage of people suffer with dysphoria surrounding their bodies and genitals. For them it isn't to do with just wanting to play with trains instead of dolls. They look at themselves in the mirror and feel wrong. Trans people have existed throughout history and just stating that they don't and haven't is evidently wrong.

Good post, Lifeover.

It makes me think of Brexit. Hearts and minds had not been changed, not on the scale that some of us thought, anyway, and it turns out that suppressing debate makes things worse. Remember Gordon Brown and the 'bigoted woman'.

No thanks. I’m not teaching my ds to give in. He needs to know and see that homophobia won’t be tolerated. The latest perpetrators were dealt with and apologised. They’ve been quite friendly since.

Yy GaspOde, it's very difficult to view Andrew Moffat as someone whose main concern is straightforward equality when you look at the earlier iterations of No Outsiders that have his name on.

We're a very very long way from 'some children have two mums or two dads' here, aren't we?

That's dreadful, Pencils. I freely admit I know diddlysquat about queery theory but if that text means what it appears to it's very worrying.

@Pencilsinspace. Yes a very long way from some kids have two mummies,

If I read that section without any background I would be wondering if it’s the writing of a paedophile tbh, all the talk about sexualising young children’s and teachers bodies! It actually made me feel a bit sick reading that part of the article. After so many years struggling to distance themselves from accusations of illegal and immoral behaviour I would think Andrew Moffat is the last person normal gay people want to represent them.

Anything that stems from queer theory is not suitable for children or any other vulnerable group of people.

Queer theory and safeguarding are incompatible.

This has nothing to do with the rights of lesbians, gay men or bisexuals. LGB cannot coexist as categories with queer theory because queer theory does not recognise that sex exists. If sex does not exist then neither does sexual orientation.

But the protests aren't about any supposed hidden agenda behind the No Outsiders programme are they?
They're specifically about primary school children being informed that same sex relationships exist and that discriminating against other people for their relationships or the way they express is wrong. Surely we all agree on that.
And back to the OP, that is where the way this has been handled, lets everyone down. There is a very wide, easy to tread path to teach people about equality and respect and fairness that doesn't lead down the PIE route. Extremism of all sorts should be avoided.

Thank you Neurotrash

Don't really see how it is the governments fault, have you considered blaming the people actually doing the protesting?

same sex relationships exist and that discriminating against other people for their relationships or the way they express is wrong. Surely we all agree on that.

Yes I agree with this and would be surprised if anyone here doesn’t.

Everyone needs to read Dr Em's brilliant articles on queer theory.

Start here: medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa

I'm up to part three and this quote leapt out at me:

Queer theory is a philosophy of straw man arguments which all come round eventually to the child deciding to be abused.

Also this is pretty hard to argue with if you have any understanding of a. Queer theory and b. Safeguarding:

Anything that stems from queer theory is not suitable for children or any other vulnerable group of people.

There is a very wide, easy to tread path to teach people about equality and respect and fairness that doesn't lead down the PIE route.

Absolutely.

No Outsiders is not that path.

Yes, Dr Em's articles were an eyeopener for me.

One thing I did think of to add: OP just because a school has wangled an outstanding badge, doesn't mean it will be outstanding for all pupils in every scenario. In my experience it is frequently those with additional needs who suffer in such cases, but perhaps diversity is not your child's schools strong point and he would be better in a lower rated school that considers the needs of all their students?