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Random child hit my baby

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bluehatbaby · 06/07/2019 17:22

Name changed. Don't usually post this kind of thing. Really angry. I was waiting in the queue at shopping centre toilets. My 8 month old son was crying and I was (still am) super stressed out as was bursting for a wee and had hysterical child to contend with. Woman stood next to me with child I would say was about 5. She kept saying 'naughty baby naughty baby' - I ignored. Thought she was quite cute. She then turned and smacked my son on the top of his head, hard, at which point he screamed the fucking place down. The woman grabbed her daughter's arm and said nothing to her. I in all fairness went a bit nuts and told her to control her child. She snapped at me 'she's fucking autistic you stupid cow' and dragged her daughter by her hood out of the toilets.

I literally don't know how to feel about it. Pissed off. Ds has now cried himself to sleep and has a red mark on his head.

AIBU to ask mn for some words of wisdom as I'm not very calm and just want to cry.

OP posts:
Sissy79 · 08/07/2019 21:38

raised voices are a huge trigger

So I shouted that the other mother was a stupid cow and that was definitely the best outcome.

MyNewBearTotoro · 08/07/2019 21:47

The mother of the autistic child was obviously wrong to call OP a stupid cow, but to be fair the OP has admitted to ‘going nuts’ and although she hadn’t elaborated I imagine she too used a number of choice phrases and insults.

The OP shouting wouldn’t have helped her son to calm after he was hurt, it would have escalated his distress. Equally the mother of the girl shouting back wouldn’t hsve helped the little girl and probably escalated her distress. At that point neither parent acted in the best way to comfort or console their child, but clearly at the point of shouting both parents were at the end of their tethers and both snapped and probably shouted in ways they later regretted. It wasn’t right for either parent to shout at the other but I can’t believe some people are only able to empathise with the OP whilst being determined to demonise the mother of the little girl.

1DoesNotSimplyWalkIntoMordor · 09/07/2019 00:01

For the umpteenth time on this thread there is no evidence in the OP to suggest that the girl was distressed, agitated, or about to hit the the baby, she was facing away from the baby and repeatedly saying "naughty baby" before she turned around and hit the baby the mother then held the child's arm, the only thing that suggests is Echolalia, the OP went a bit nuts and telling the mother to control her child and the mother then shouted at her before removing themselves from the situation.

Echolalia is the unsolicited repitition of vocalisation made by another person, it is quite common in young children with Autism and is not necessarily indicative of distress or agitation or that the child is about to lash out.

Gingerivy · 09/07/2019 13:17

I said a considerate non arsehole person would show some care and concern towards a baby that has been hurt as a result of your child’s actions. Potientially badly if it’s on the head.

When one of my dcs goes into meltdown (or if it's a really shit day and they both do), my priority MUST be on calming my dcs. If I can get out a quick apology, then fine, but otherwise generally I need to focus on either removing my dcs from the situation or edging them over to at least a less crowded area so I can help them calm down.

We've been in that situation where my dc has shouted at, pushed, or hit another child. It's mortifying, it's frustrating, and even though I am risk assessing constantly from the moment we walk out our door until we get home, on the rare occasion I get caught off guard. Of course I am concerned about the other child involved, but my priority is calming my child and avoiding anyone else getting hurt.

A considerate non arsehole person would be a bit more compassionate and understand that the mother is demonstrating her concern by removing her child from the situation so that nobody else gets hurt.

Sissy79 · 09/07/2019 13:24

demonstrating her concern by removing her child from the situation so that nobody else gets hurt.

And calling the mother of a baby hurt by her child a stupid cow? Very generous concern shown there.

I just can’t see why verbally attacking a stranger whose baby has just been hurt because of your child is considered acceptable. When all it takes is 1 second to have some basic manners and say sorry.

MauisHouseOnMaui · 09/07/2019 13:30

Did you read the thread @Sissy79, particularly the posts about the experiences of parents of autistic children?

And I can see why the mother reacted angrily to the OP. It was a stressful situation and the anger from the OP prompted her to react angrily in return, doesn't make it right but it is understandable.

Sissy79 · 09/07/2019 14:16

Yeah I have read it and I still think a sorry or an acknowledgment of the pain caused to the baby was warranted.

Gingerivy · 09/07/2019 14:39

Sissy79 God forbid that someone is struggling, attempting to contain an autistic dc going into meltdown, navigate other people around them so nobody else is hurt by the flailing arms and legs, trying to carefully move their dc to a quiet and more suitable place to help them calm down, while also managing possibly other children, handbag, and any purchases, probably also having to use the toilet (or child needs to use the toilet) and watching the chance of using the toilet go right out the window, knowing that they'll have to wait until they're home , even if it's an hour journey as their autistic dc is now too distressed for them to stop anywhere.

Now imagine that during that one hour journey (while they're still desperate for the toilet but can't go as they cannot leave their distressed autistic dc unsupervised for even a moment) their dc is humming loudly, tapping, stomping their feet, and occasionally letting out a yelp, sometimes crying a little, doesn't want anyone to look at them or sit/stand by them on the bus and absolutely most assuredly does not want babies or toddlers (crying or otherwise) anywhere near them on the bus or they (the autistic dc) will start to growl and shout. (actually multiply this x2 and that's what I have had to deal with on more than one occasion)

Keep in mind that throughout this, there are others on the bus, whispering, making nasty comments, staring. Some expect you to tell your dc to be quiet or to stop "acting up." Some will actually be rude enough to comment on it to your face or to your child. In the meantime, all you're trying to do is waylay a massive meltdown and get your dc home as quickly and safely as possible, so that nothing else untoward happens. All the time you're thinking "please dear god do not let this bus be rerouted or our bus stop be closed for some unknown reason as I cannot cope with that right now...." (or rain or a traffic jam or any number of things that would trigger a meltdown at this point)

In an ideal world, my dcs wouldn't be struggling in a queue while waiting for the toilet. In reality, they do.

In an ideal world, they would ignore a baby that is crying for awhile. In reality, they cannot - the sound causes them physical pain and ramps their anxiety skyhigh.

In an ideal world, they'd not lash out. In reality, they sometimes do - which we're working on.

In an ideal world, another parent might recognise that we are doing the best we can and turning ourselves inside out to make sure nothing bad happens. In reality, we get threads like this, where people judge our parenting and values even though they often have no idea of the whole picture.

Perhaps that will give you an idea why the other parent shouted and didn't apologise. She was likely distressed, focused on her child, and trying to do her best in a stressful situation. If you still can't see why, then Biscuit

Lulu2106 · 09/07/2019 15:43

Something similar happened to me not long ago. Little boy dragged my son and nearly pulled him to the floor, when I told the child that was dangerous the mother told me off for talking to her child because he's autistic. I posted on here to get some opinions from parents to autistic children and it seems all the posters said she was wrong to react that way!

CallMeRachel · 09/07/2019 16:00

doesn't make it right but it is understandable.

Not in my world it's not. There's no excuse for a human being, let alone another mother to be so abusive and uncaring towards a baby.

The amount of twat sympathisers on this thread is frankly disgusting.

Your child having an Autism diagnosis should not trump humanity.

IhateBoswell · 09/07/2019 16:15

Your child having an Autism diagnosis should not trump humanity.

What nonsensical bullshit 🙄

Underhisi · 09/07/2019 16:23

OK she should have said sorry but I don't see how she was abusive to the baby.

Underhisi · 09/07/2019 16:26

Nice use of 'your' there. As in it could never happen to me.

Mrsjayy · 09/07/2019 16:46

I can't decide if dad Chris is that serious or deadpan son Chris is more relaxed i like him.

Mrsjayy · 09/07/2019 16:47

Ah sorry Blush

Sissy79 · 09/07/2019 17:59

Gingerivy fine. How do you know the other mum isn’t struggling with who the hell knows what and is now dealing with a potentially injured baby and a random woman calling her stupid.

We can all play one up games but if you are in the wrong, just say sorry. It’s that easy.

Give me a biscuit because you think it’s alright to walk away from a crying baby that your child injured? Nope, never alright.

mbosnz · 09/07/2019 18:02

Well, I don't think it's alright, but I can sympathise with why she might have. We all have our breaking point. I imagine (hope?) it wasn't the hitter's mother's proudest moment.

spam390 · 09/07/2019 18:19

@ CallMeRachel

You're an idiot, sorry, but I can word it in no other way ! :(

Nowhere in OP's post does she say the autistic childs mother was abusive to the baby, and we cannot know if she was uncaring or not as YOU are NOT bloody psychic love !!!!!

You have zero idea of what less fortunate parents have to go through, or the hourly never mind daily struggles they face.

I am simply thankful that your opinion is just that i.e YOUR opinion.

spam390 · 09/07/2019 18:33

@ DaisiesAreOurSilver
' The mother should have apologised. That's what I said. People who think otherwise don't seem to understand societal norms.'

Ermmm..... if you are SO experienced in the autistic spectrum disorders, please tell me how you know that the mum understands the 'norms' of society ?

Exactly what proof have you that the mother of the autistic child is not herself also on the spectrum ? But you insist that this woman, who you don't know and so have exactly ZERO information about her abilities/ disabilities, should have abided by 'societies norms' ?

P.S. Working in 'special ed' and watching your DN to give their mum a break doesn't mean you can understand what it is like to raise an autistic child. (Having worked in residential care with autistic children and young adults as well as having my own autistic child gives me a slightly better idea, but would not claim to understand what THAT mother on THAT day was going through !

spam390 · 09/07/2019 19:00

@ Sissy79

'I just can’t see why verbally attacking a stranger whose baby has just been hurt because of your child is considered acceptable'

No love, we can all see the limits of your ability to understand :(

I'll try and type slowly for you, just take your time and read slowly. :)

The BABY's mum began the shouting etc, and the AUTISTIC childs mum retaliated. Understand ?

mbosnz · 09/07/2019 19:05

Um, you missed a bit out. The mother of the baby that had just been hit with sufficient force to leave a mark that lasted quite some time, shouted. The mother of the child who hit the baby (who alleged her child was autistic) retaliated.

spam390 · 09/07/2019 19:07

:)

spam390 · 09/07/2019 19:11

Apparently we're focusing on the second mum

  1. being NT and understanding social norms
  2. Being psychic as to her child's intentions
  3. Being expected to be calm in an obviously volatile situation
  4. Being able/ unable to prioritise apologising after 1. the shock of the incident 2. The OP 'losing it' at her.
spam390 · 09/07/2019 19:17

Feel free to read my previous posts about this upsetting scenario, in which I clearly state that neither mum could have prevented this and that both were obviously under great stress, and that understanding and empathy for BOTH ( as well as both children obvs) was warranted.

We have no proof of anything, and only one side of the story, so while it's distressing for everyone involved, there's no need for the blame game as neither parents actions/ reactions were ideal ( but both perfectly understandable)

Gingerivy · 09/07/2019 21:20

Give me a biscuit because you think it’s alright to walk away from a crying baby that your child injured? Nope, never alright.

Meh. You have no interest in listening or keeping an open mind - you're clearly determined to make the other mother out to be a villain. It must be very limiting for you to think the way you do.

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