To wonder honestly what must go on in the minds of some men?

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I've just taken my niece out for lunch. She's 16 and with the arrival of the weather she's been wearing a t-shirt and a mini skirt with her converse. Typical look for your typical teen but for just during lunch alone she was accosted by 2 different men who asked for her number. Both men clearly middle-aged and trying their luck. I admit she does look older than a teen but sheer audacity of these men hitting on a 16 year old girl really riled me.

The tit yes I know I had 'unattractive' friends that still got harassed, I do still think some girls and women attract more male attention than others and looks can play a part.

The young men who think that rape is a joke, I wonder if they find male rape (by other males) funny?

There is Good Facebook page called Men who have it all”, it turns around everyday sexism and is written by a man.

The only thing that will ever change this is if it is called out relentlessly, and if the men who do it are reviled and ridiculed as the creepy perverts they are by everyone around them, male and female. Unfortunately this is unlikely. There are just too many men who don’t see the problem, or who aren’t willing to take the shit they get for speaking out. And also too many women who will put approval from men ahead of solidarity with other women.

“These things are ingrained” so are many other anti-social behaviours. It is the duty of all of us to curb our more disgusting and anti-social urges, for the sake of our fellow humans. I fail to see why paedophilic members of the male sex should be exempt from this duty. On the contrary, the more disgusting you inherently are, the greater the self control you must display.

Maybe some of the men do fancy under 18s (or 16s) more than other age groups; but it's no coincidence that they choose to harass the females least likely to tell them to fuck off etc and most likely to be shocked, horrified, extremely self conscious, to freeze and not be aggressive.

Well if I see anyone else’s daughter being perved at or hassled I will intervene and hope you all will for mine

@2eternities, your DH's Jimmy Saville mate is in absolutely no way decent. I don't care how many teenagers laugh at him and don't have sex with him after he's drugged them or got them drunk, he is a disgusting excuse for a human being and is dangerous.

@jillybeanclevertips, men did always hunt millennia ago, but often women hunted with them side by side. Hunting alone was hard, dangerous and generally only achieved small kills which were not very useful for a community. For larger prey, the whole tribe would hunt together. Safety in numbers and far more likely to succeed.

Millenia later we still use the excuse that men are natural hunters because ... even if it were true that only men had hunted in the prehistoric era we'd have to accept that they've had a lot of time to evolve from that.

I'm almost more concerned by the women who just shrug their shoulders and say, men are just like that. Boys will be boys. They can't help it, etc, etc. No! This isn't good enough. I would be incandescent with rage if I found out either of my sons behaved like this. And funnily enough, I've never heard them say or do anything creepy ever, or even look at or talk about girls/women disrespectfully.

We have to call things out and use any tools we can to stop men who behave in this fashion: re-education, ridicule, anger, reasoning. Sitting back just encourages the sense of entitlement these men have. And they bloody adore telling us it's their hormones, genes, social conditioning and nothing to do with being creepy fuckers who should know better.

@Whosorrynow

The young men who think that rape is a joke, I wonder if they find male rape (by other males) funny?

I'm sorry for the TMI. Raped males very, very, often (90%+ from the research and reading I've done over the past few years) develop an erection. This is used to insinuate "enjoyment" (parallels with raped women), and raped males are very likely to question their sexuality as a result, especially if a teenager when the attack occurs.

Raped males are shunned by male society. We are made to feel disgusting, dirty, shameful, abhorrent and a stain on the male sex, intertwined with homophobia.

Developing an involuntary physiological reaction during sexual abuse, for both sexes, is used to shame and denigrate us. It's fucking disgusting.

So do they find it funny? Possibly, do they target raped boys/young men with their abhorrence? Absolutely.

SO gross and unsettling... OMG some of these stories are so shocking !

My stepdad used to do it all the time.
In his mind it is a “ compliment “.

They obviously weren't using their minds - just living through their willies.

Sad old farts.

My dd was six the first time I spotted a man looking at her lustfully. Countless (and I mean countless - the day I did count, I got to 648 by mid morning) occasions followed. I did my best to teach her how to get through safely.

I don’t think making comments back to the men would work. They take any response as an encouragement.

Maybe if we see it happening we should go up to the women and talk to them, as advised when people are suffering racial abuse. I’ve had this happen - a decent chap came to talk to me one morning when a couple of drunk men were following me about saying they’d rape me.

Maybe if we see it happening we should go up to the women and talk to them, as advised when people are suffering racial abuse

Yes I think this is a great idea!

Barry my DD is 5 but tall and in 6-7/7-8 clothes and I too have caught men looking at her in that way we all know, it knocks me sick to my stomach dirty pedophiles. Last year some old fart slowed his car down to look at her!! Shows the state of many men today when little girls get more attention than grown women in their 20s! Urghh I feel like throwing up.

I have a friend who has an unusually beautiful 13 year old daughter, really one in a million looks wise, they can't even walk through central London without being harassed by model scouts. She clearly looks her age though, not older.
The amount of attention she gets from 50+ male stramgers is just sickening. We were in a cafe just last week and a pair of middle-aged men kept sending "lemonade for the elven princess" to our table.

On a number of occasions, my 14 year old has brought her Instagram to me, to say "god, look at what so-and-so has posted". Some of the stuff girls post is really worrying - 14 year olds posting very sexualised imagery of themselves pouting / posing provocatively etc. I always wonder where the parents are, to guide them, in those cases. The girls and I have a relationship where we can talk about all of that, but we need to be tackling the effects that cultural conditioning has on our girls, as well as our boys
I enjoyed your post.
Very true, it is all very messed up for younger boys and girls, it must be very confusing, mixed messages they are receiving from the media, family, friends peers.
They're trapped in this anything acceptable revolution.

Reading this thread has dragged up a couple of memories I had forgotten

Me and a friend (age about 13) had advertised that we could help with horses etc etc. Older guy rang up and said he would love to see me in jodhpurs. Grim

Age 16, riding my horse in a local nature area. Guy approached asking for directions who then put his hand on my thigh and started stroking it, saying I must be a good ride. I belted him with my whip

It was very common to be grabbed accompanied by the words “hmm, if only I was 20 years younger”.

I was having a conversation at work recently (and I work with sex offenders) and my manager stated that peodophelia is rare and there is a lot of hysteria about it I argued it wasn’t

Given my experiences and those of many on here I still don’t think it is I think many men are sexually attracted to young children (and I think more so girls)

But you know him being a man he knew better

I suppose it depends on what we think is really going on with paedophilia.
Is it a sexual orientation?
Is it to do with a desire to violate and dominate the weak, a predatory drive which becomes fused with a sexual drive, the two things combining to heighten each other.

I am even more depressed by the women on here excusing it because young girls develop so fast and men , poor lambs, are just victims of conditioning wanting a fertile young female.
Firstly, most of these old fuckers couldn't get it to work anyway, so how about some DIGNITY in their old age?
Secondly don't be so naive - they Know how old these children are. It's not that they are mistakenly drooling over someone they think is 20.