To wonder honestly what must go on in the minds of some men?

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I've just taken my niece out for lunch. She's 16 and with the arrival of the weather she's been wearing a t-shirt and a mini skirt with her converse. Typical look for your typical teen but for just during lunch alone she was accosted by 2 different men who asked for her number. Both men clearly middle-aged and trying their luck. I admit she does look older than a teen but sheer audacity of these men hitting on a 16 year old girl really riled me.

Men are ruled by their dicks. They revere them, it gives them so much pleasure. They assume that females of whatever age will be similarly fascinated by their flappy appendages regardless of their age, who they are, what the circumstances are.

It was ever thus.

I don't get why some of us me and my friends just wouldn't do this shit and others would: what's the difference? We were taught by our parents? Fell into a peer-group where this is behaviour is discouraged/punished?
I just don't know, the answer has to be with men since the problem is us men, but I think it is rooted in lad culture and male bonding: The group of men cat-calling a woman really aren't attempting to attract the victim, they're showing off to their mates. On the few (sorry) occaisons I've tried to intervene I get "It's just banter mate, what are you, a poof?".
Keyboard thinking, maybe what we need is to change the behaviour at the top of the male-hierachy tree: Those alpha-male sportsmen, the entertainers, the politicians (maybe not, far too sleezy for recovery!) ..? What I don't know is how do we affect those people? The message becomes "No one thinks its big or clever to say that to a woman" -- does that sound like primary school playground? The behaviour is at that level.

Or for males to take on board that females are human beings, just like them, not objects that they can foist themselves on, whether physically or verbally. That their attentions, unless invited, are not wanted or needed.

Men always have and always will look at young girls/women. It’s programmed in from years back when you would be looking for the best mate to give you kids so youth was an advantage. I think lots of men feel just as awkward when they see young girls in the throes of puberty cos they know they shouldn’t be looking. My 12 year old has the body of a woman (I blinked and bam!!! It all erupted) I look at her a lot cos I can’t quite believe where it all came from almost overnight! I think how we teach our girls to react to this is important.

I know it's sadly not the norm, but there were 3 incidents from my youth (long time ago!) that I remember now regarding flashers, and have used the second one them myself and been involved in the third.

First one was a story I heard, the middle aged motherly woman who was flashed on a winters night. Her response was "Oh you poor dear, you must be starving and freezing if you can't afford clothes. Let me make you a nice hot cup of tea"

The second one was a friend of my DSis. Her response to a flasher was "Ha ha ha, is that IT?" with a look of scorn & derision on her face. I've used this one since.

The third is my favorite. When I was a teen we had a horse at the riding stables, and there was a flasher in a local woods we used to ride in. One day someone came back & told us he was in there, so a big mob of us went out on horseback "flasher hunting" - imagine a cross between St Trinians and Thelwell. "Poor" flasher was chased all over the woods and never returned

@Lulu49

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Good post OP, I remember when my daughters were 16, in the 90’s and feeling exactly the same

Men always have and always will look at young girls/women. It’s programmed in from years back .

No. This is what these men would love you to think, the perfect infallible excuse - "but it wasn't me fault m'lud, genetics, social conditioning".

Itscontroversial thank you for posting. I’m so sorry that happened to you.

Just a little ray of sunshine on the thread though, DD was on the train alone last night and felt uncomfortable with the man sitting with her. She texted her friend (teen boy from the boys school) and within 30 seconds him and 2 of his friends were there and whisked her off to sit with them.

No lulu. We need to educate men not to do this in the same way that we educate people not to behave in other socially unacceptable and offensive ways in public.
It’s not on girls to handle it right. It’s on men to stop it. You wouldn’t piss or shit in the street, right? Public lechery towards young girls and women also creates disgust. Don’t be disgusting in public. Not a hard rule to follow.

Unfortunately I do somewhat agree with the other poster. Imo, I and a lot of other women I know (late 20s,early 30s) Were prettier /more attractive when we were teenagers. I'm 28 now and tbh I look tired and don't think I'm as pretty as I was at 16/18 and it's the same for a lot of other women I know, sadly in our society youth is beauty. Even now, if I notice an attractive girl/woman whilst out and about I'm sorry but she's usually pretty young like a teenager or early 20s. Having kids often makes us look worse and more women have had children by 30, so I do think that in the most part it's that we are less attractive and I'd say this for men aswell imo, teenage early 20s men seem much better looking on average than older ones. It's a shame we are more desirable when pretty much children but that is the experience I've had, younger people are more attractive for the most part. Though if I notice a good looking teenager it's more 'how pretty is he' rather than me being sexually attracted as they look like kids but maybe men don't see it that way, we are different after all and I can't take people seriously who claim we arnt

I think I've read the entire thread now and have felt more and more angry with each one I've read. In fact I feel like going out and punching the first man I see in the face - just for being a man. Anyone else feel like this?

Anyone else feel like this?

I’m feeling both incredibly angry but a little positivity in the solidarity on the thread and that there appears to be a couple of men on here who are listening and get it!

Also it's true about looking for the best partner, young girls are at the beginning of their fertile years many years ahead of being able to have babies a 30 year old is getting to the end of her fertility within a few short years like it or not it's an unfortunate biological fact so stands to reason teenagers are going to be seen as more sexually desirable than 30 odd year olds.its crazy how quickly we get older and undesirable feels like two minutes since I was that gorgeous teenager... Sigh.

2eternities, yes of course youthfulness is attractive, but generally speaking, middle-aged women don’t stare at young men, make lewd comments or grope them.

Did anyone see the 'Youtuber' who shouted out to the 15 year old girl when she was walking with her father?
Her dad actually confronts him and tells him to stop shouting to women in the street.
The dad said he only didn't hit him because he knew he was being filmed, he has the cheek to ask the dad what she was doing walking around at that time, then asks his viewers what a man that age was doing with a 15 year old (after being told it's his daughter!!)

twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1145168959110623232?s=20

They definitely do! Maybe not in the same perverted way, but DM always used to comment on how handsome our 17 year old neighbour was, he was a year younger than me and DM was about 40, also had a male friend be groped by a middle aged female alcoholic type in a bar when we were 20 so it definitely happens. Even I notice good looking younger men I don't feel attracted to them though and I think that can be the same for men they might notice a pretty young girl but it's like noticing a pretty picture (this doesn't apply to the creepy perverts who do more than a quick look though), there was actually a big thread on reddit about this where older men were asked if they fancied women their age and many said what I said previously about noticing PYTs but not feeling sexual attraction to them, with most saying their tastes evolved as they got older.

*to include older women they would have found hideous when younger.

@2eternities and @Lulu49 your genetic imperative to breed with the optimal chance of producing healthy offspring argument is bollocks when applied to the many, many accounts of pedophilic middle aged men harassing children aged 9-16!

Teenage pregnancy shares a lot of the same risks to mother and baby as pregnancy over the age of 40.

Pregnant teenagers are far more likely to suffer high blood pressure than pregnant adult women in their 20s and 30s. They are more likely to deliver prematurely and to deliver a low birth weight baby.

A teen is still growing and developing herself and it is harder for her body to nourish a growing baby whilst meeting it's own nutritional needs (which are different to an adult woman's). Anemia is a significant risk - more so in teens than adult women.

Young teenage bodies are more likely to suffer catastrophic birth injuries due to their bodies not being fully mature.

Teenagers are also actually less fertile than women in their early 20s - female fertility peeks at 24 on average.

So it is absolute and complete nonsense to explain away pedophiles piercing in girls under 16 by saying that it's hard wired into them due to the biological imperative to reproduce.

If that were true it would be women in their early 20s receiving all the "attention".

Harassing female children and teenagers isn't a hirdwired genetic imperative and isn't about fertility. It's a power play by nasty, inadequate creeps who know full well no woman in her 20s (if they're all about peek fertility, which I don't believe) nor attractive adult woman would give them the time of day, so get their kicks by sexually intimidating biologically and psychologically immature female children.

Only a couple?

*piercing is an autocorrect fail! perving!

2eternities, have you actually read this thread? We’re not talking about acknowledging beauty. This whole thread is a catalogue of middle aged men being obscene and predatory towards female children and teenagers. An adult man did this gesture at my 11 year-old DD. If you’ve ever seen a grown woman do it to an 11 year-old boy, I’ll be amazed.

For clarity: the young man pictured was not the offender 😆

Another one can't say I disagree entirely but I started developing breasts at 7/8 years old and looked 14/15 by 11/12 which was when I started getting this attention, I never received any of this perverted attention until I looked like a full blown teenager, yes some men are pedophiles and like pre pubescents but the OP said her niece is 16 not 9 so not even underage just very young which is what my post was generally aimed at.

Yes there are a lot of creeps who deliberately prey on young girls, it is wrong and quite sickening no one is denying that.

Beauty is related to attractiveness so yes it is relevant. And it doesn't really matter if whilst a teen they have risks in pregnancy they still have many years of childbearing left unlike someone in their 30s and that's where the biological reasoning is from. But yes I agree they are targeted in this way due to being young and naive also a lot of men remain perpetual adolescents through their lives and their tastes reflect this.

There have been many young boys molested and taken advantage of by much older women. Though yes it's more common from men and it's unlikely a woman would be so blatant about it in a public place but it does happen how often do you hear of female teachers having sex with their teenage students?! All the time!

All the time!

Oh come on, “all the time”? The reason you do hear about it, is because is vanishingly rare.

Can you imagine a news bulletin for every time a man molested a woman?