Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

But to royalists, it seems like the rule is breakable for certain creatures but not for others

I know and it’s very interesting to try to
Understand why.

I find it staggering, for example, the rudeness and ignorance that Prince Philip has been allowed to get away with over the years, brushed aside as ‘he says it like it us’, ‘doesn’t suffer fools’ and so on.

I find it mortifying to be represented by a man like that. And yet some of the same people who think that’s fine, criticise Meghan for attention seeking in touching her bump! It’s extraordinary.

Prince Andrew's rumoured connections with Jeffrey Epstein have gone very quiet

Apparently Epstein's been arrested again over running under-age girls, so maybe the media holding off to see if he'll spout anything about Andrew?

Also a photo closing the rounds of trump hugging his daughter with Epstein next to him. Beyond creepy.

IABUQueen To me, this is a cool social experiment which is why I’m invested grin. Who is in?

“White privilege” and “colonial mentality” spring to mind.

Erm, interesting views to say the least. Novel, as well. But very, very cliched, and almost offensively so. But all carefully padded out with vague platitudes and statements so as to come across a little winsome.

My uncle, from a small Scottish island, married a black American 30 years ago. It wasn't particularly interesting or 'experimental' then. You do realise that the UK has been a multi-cultural society for decades?

Part of me is sympathetic towards the views that MM might be suffering from racism, but I don't think its true, or not at least any more so than anyone else. But the defence that her nouveau riche behaviour cannot be criticised because she is mixed race, is in itself somewhat racist. She is being treated exactly like any other woman with a long history of relationships and discarding people would be treated who married into the RF.

I speak as someone who has a non-European grandparent. I know what people can be like if you are slightly different. But this isn't the same at all. She is being criticised for choices she is making and some very vulgar behaviour and attention seeking. That may well be the somewhat brash, money-oriented, connections-building background she comes from and that is essential for a working actress in North America. Its a background that many with ordinary, non-showbusiness jobs would find difficult to relate to and a little false. Most ordinary British people are too busy paying the bills to cultivate an image and pursue a course of action designed to hook a man who hangs around somewhere like Soho House and the social scene from there.

But who knows how far her PR team reaches? You're obviously going to continue to defend her rigorously and at length, and to try and paint anyone who criticises her as being racist.

But since you purport to know so much about her and her motivations, can you shed any light on why Harry was avoiding her and seemed to want nothing to do with her at the friend's wedding they were attending separately, after they had split up? Bit different from the lovey-dovey joined-at-the-hip appearances now.

Say what, Incandescent??

I didn't think H&M had ever split up ... are you perhaps getting mixed up with Kate and Will's separation?

She is being criticised for choices she is making and some very vulgar behaviour and attention seeking.

And what specifically would that be that’s totally different to the behaviour of the other royals?

Ironically it is actually Harry who has more experience with fame than Meghan.

He grew up in the spotlight and so doesn’t know what it is like not to have the media and the general public wanting to photograph him.

Meghan on the other hand, grew up seeking fame and opportunities in the spotlight of Hollywood. And she achieved a moderate level in her 30s. But still not nearly on the scale of Harry’s experiences. I know that for many if not most, the first time they had heard of Meghan was when it came out that she was dating Harry. It’s not like she was Jennifer Anniston level of famous actress.

So to suddenly be thrust into the glaring spotlight of the world’s eyes would most certainly be a shock to the system. And she wouldn’t be human not to be making mistakes as she goes along. Time will tell how she copes with it all and replaces her rubbish PR

Don't tar all royalists with the same brush! I like the RF (most of the time) & I'm glad we have a monarchy.
I like Meghan & think she gets a very hard time.
I think marrying into the RF (especially if you are not from those circles) must be akin to a human landing on a distant planet, not knowing any of the languages on that planet & trying to communicate & fit in to the best of their abilities with the alien inhabitants.

@CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook
Meghan has continually worn little known brands from around the globe such as “Everlane”, Strathberry, Demellier etc and they are all ethical companies.
I'm not British, I'm Irish and I think it's important to help support our own industries as much as possible to help employment in our respective countries.
You seem to have an issue re Meghan Markle as you’ve stated that you are black previously.,,

@MauritiusNext
Mumsnet used to be a supportive parenting forum.
Out of interest whey did you join...

How annoying that we'll have to suffer her 'humanitarian' blogs in Vogue on a monthly basis

The whole circus is ridiculous. What a vanity project. Full of shit.

How annoying that we'll have to suffer her 'humanitarian' blogs in Vogue on a monthly basis

I'm doubtful it will happen.

She doesn't seem to identify as a black woman. She doesn't date black men

Fuck me, I’m not sure where to start with that little gem

Shd appears to have plenty of black friends.

Also, how Meghan herself feels about her race is irrelevant to how others react to her race. You can still be racist against someone who doesn’t wholly embrace their race.

Happy

Are you aiming for satire or just very stupid?

@Ghanagirl MN is no longer a supportive parenting forum really. As you see its a place where racists can gather to diss a woman purely because she is mixed race, and get away with it. MN have allowed so many threads to stand about MM. If it was another woman it would be taken down as 'not in the spirit'. Apart from a few sensible people these threads look like what they are - an entire bitchfest against a woman they don't even know, because they feel she doesn't 'deserve' the position. The faux indignation if you mention racism is laughably dumb.

She doesn't seem to identify as a black woman. She doesn't date black men. She seems to have aligned herself with white contacts and friends

Happy you are reaching now. Are you the Decider Of Black? If you aren't obviously identifying as a black woman (how, pray..?) don't stick to solely black friends and then, you're just not black enough?

I doubt you even realise how ridiculous you sound

So why were they cordoned off?

I’ve no idea, perhaps more kind of security concerns that we wouldn’t be privy to.

Are the British people permitted to be sniffy about a private person requiring so much security that she must have 20 empty Wimbledon seats around her?