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To feel the rage with “teacher tired” posts

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Rainbowsandglitterbullshit · 28/06/2019 18:26

The season of teachers posting SM messages “no one knows tired like an end of term teacher/TA/dinner lady” is almost upon us.

I want to scream, what about the fuckers who work stupid hours all week and don’t get 6 weeks off in the summer, half term, two weeks Easter, two weeks at Christmas.

I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the tea in China but these people chose their career.

Grrr, actually don’t care if I’m BU.

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SachaStark · 30/06/2019 20:43

You are definitely correct there, @YourSarcasmIsDripping. Of course one can have a job they love, and recognise its inherent flaws. I LOVE the “teaching bit”, and the kids. The rest can get to fuck, most of the time.

Frankly, I’d be worried about a teacher who DIDN’T point out the flaws, and even rail for change in policy when appropriate. I’d think they were severely lacking in essential critical skills if they blindly accepted all of this!

herculepoirot2 · 30/06/2019 20:45

it's the other bullshit like meetings,data,paperwork, irate parents , expectations of giving up full days,sometimes night or weekends for special events etc that they might have an issue with, and rightly so.

And I didn’t mind SENSIBLE meetings, data, parents - even sensibly irate parents - or any other sensible expectation. It was when a meeting ran over by thirty minutes because the HOD had to explain how to use the third new data entry system of the year before the deadline on Monday and if you got it wrong you would be disciplined. That was when things started getting a bit dodgy.

Whatthehell2020000 · 30/06/2019 20:46

I'm a (reception) teacher and it's bloody hard work, but then so is nursing, social working etc etc. I am genuinely grateful about all the holidays and fully accept a less well paid career for them.
I don't pretend I work harder than anyone else.to justify my holidays.

As I said, I truly do find it exhausting but I think most people find their jobs exhausting

SachaStark · 30/06/2019 20:47

Essential critical THINKING skills, is what I meant there.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/06/2019 20:49

@cherriesandoranges
there's s lot of moaning going on in your comments if you love your job and don't feel trapped.mmmmm reality?

And there I was being nice and being constructive.

But it seems that you just want to be goady.

Just because I love a job doesn't mean that I can't see what is wrong with it.

In one of my previous jobs I was paid to problem solve.
How it worked was simple, people came to me with problems and I solved them.

In your words people moaned, they moaned a lot.

But because the company I worked for gave a shit they decided that the most productive thing they could do was solve the problem and it would then go away, the employees where happy and worked harder for a company that cared.

The problem here is that goady fuckers don't see that there is an actual problem and just call teachers, moaners, whiners etc.

Piggywaspushed · 30/06/2019 20:51

I have just waved off a school trip where three teachers and 40 kids are going on a 16 hour coach journey. One teacher had to stand in at the last minute because of the illness of the trip leader. When he comes back he will get no time off in lieu, and will run a meeting for another trip on the next evening. he will then accompany a second trip to France after the school term has finished. He has only just himself come back to work after an illness.

If he wants to let everyone know how knackered he is when he finishes all that, he has every right to and my full permission. He deserves a medal, and OBE and a knighthood.

herculepoirot2 · 30/06/2019 20:57

If he wants to let everyone know how knackered he is when he finishes all that, he has every right to and my full permission. He deserves a medal, and OBE and a knighthood.

Amen to that!

Namenic · 30/06/2019 20:57

At the end of the day, even if teaching isn’t as ‘hard’ as other jobs, there is a big shortage of teachers in uk and many leaving.

Maybe people think they are snowflakes (I don’t) but they would be badly needed snowflakes. @cherriesandoranges - do you think there is anything we can do to improve the retention crisis in teaching?

Conflicted121 · 30/06/2019 20:59

As I have said in previous post, teaching is my third career and by far has me the most shattered. I see a lot of comments on here about the misconceptions of time spent so thought I would do a typical day list.

7:20am arrive in work. Lessons for all plans need to be in place. Our school expect us to write mini reports on the lesson plan and our expected outcome. We have 6 lessons a day

8am: meeting with team to ensure we are all teaching at the same level. Twins are separated so we must remain consistent.

8:30 - 11am deliver classes, constantly encouraging the group of children who need 1-1 help and support but are not getting it.

11am breaktime for children. Phone parents who have given their year 4 children mobiles and it has all kicked off on chat and they want to know how I am going to handle it.

11:20-12:15 deliver lessons

12:15 - 12:30 sit with the children who have had break removed due to poor behaviour as that is our schools way of dealing with behaviour management.

12:30-1pm scoff down lunch

1-3:15pm deliver lessons.

3:30 - 4:30 either delivering after school club or phoning parents.

4:30 - 6pm the marking begins. A tick is no longer acceptable. We have to write comments and measure their progress according to the learning objective. If we have a staff meeting then I have to arrive an hour earlier to get the work done in the morning.

6pm: I try to leave to get home to see the children. Once they are in bed I often work on all of the other bits not mentioned.

Other things add significantly to this list including reports or display changes. Often we will have meetings about individual children which eats into marking and so without fail, I always have to catch up at weekends. At this stage, I wouldn’t be able to take on more responsibility. Most of my older colleagues feel the same which explains why our SLT are all under 27 and the new acting head was doing his teacher training 5 years ago.

But despite all of this, it’s not what makes me tired. The tiredness comes from teaching a class where 6 of the 30 have significant learning barriers, 5 are just lazy and disruptive and 5 are plain rude and disrespectful. The SLT are unsupportive and the parents are fed up that nothing is being done about certain children.

It is constant demands from all angles. The worse of it is that this is the case regardless of how good or bad a teacher you are. In my previous life, if you were bad at your job, you were sent packing. With teaching, you can be the best teacher and still get told on a daily basis from someone that you are not doing enough or that a Parent is bad mouthing you on FB. It is mentally draining.

cherriesandoranges · 30/06/2019 21:02

@Namenic yeah more investment, smaller class sizes, more investment in asn.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/06/2019 21:06

@cherriesandoranges

yeah more investment, smaller class sizes, more investment in asn.

But if you were a teacher that would be whinging and moaning and stories of one teacher, teaching 40 kids in one classroom and SEN didn't exist and they all got good "O" levels.

Conflicted121 · 30/06/2019 21:07

Oh and we don’t know everything. I have been given a year group (and jumped a few) that I have not taught before for September and I will spend a lot of weekend and evening time next year teaching myself so that I can confidently deliver the lesson to the children.

cherriesandoranges · 30/06/2019 21:09

@BoneyBackJefferson no I wouldn't be moaning about it. I'd just get on with it like I do in my new career. If someone is asking what would help improve retention though then In my opinion is what could help.

PoppingOneOutIn2020 · 30/06/2019 21:10

I'm only 10 and abit weeks pregnant and I'm exhausted from deciding whether to have hot dogs or burgers for dinner.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/06/2019 21:12

@cherriesandoranges

You miss the point.

cherriesandoranges · 30/06/2019 21:14

@BoneyBackJefferson your "point" is always (in every post) to flame me into an argument. I'm not interested. If you hate your job do much then leave. Don't take it out on me.

ilovesooty · 30/06/2019 21:17

Spectacularly. Nice fluffy chirruping though. Perhaps shed like to provide some robust ideas to make teachers feel more valued and respected , as well as how they can be inspired and helped to effect career change.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/06/2019 21:19

@cherriesandoranges

still missing the point.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 30/06/2019 21:24

Well considering she's advising everyone to quit I suspect retainment and recruiting crisis is not something she's been hired to help with.

cherriesandoranges · 30/06/2019 21:27

What can I say. Some staff you want to retain, some staff you don't. You should only be a teacher if you want to be a teacher. Otherwise move on. It's not fair on the kids.

herculepoirot2 · 30/06/2019 21:29

What can I say. Some staff you want to retain, some staff you don't. You should only be a teacher if you want to be a teacher. Otherwise move on. It's not fair on the kids.

Where does that hit a snag, though? On their third English teacher of the year? Their fifth?

SachaStark · 30/06/2019 21:30

We DO want to be teachers. All of us have said we love teaching. But surely, as someone who is a former teacher and works in strategy for education, you must see that the job is no longer tenable in the long term? Hence the crisis in recruitment and retention that you weren’t aware is happening in your country, despite working in strategy in education.

Eaudear · 30/06/2019 21:30

What can I say. Some staff you want to retain, some staff you don't.

There are some schools out there who would be happy to retain any staff right now!

SachaStark · 30/06/2019 21:31

As to your “what can I say”: I mean, you could start saying some things of substance, to assure us that you have the qualifications and experience of which you speak.

cherriesandoranges · 30/06/2019 21:31

@SachaStark and likewise. I mean what evidence do we have that you are a teacher?